I hope HR 669 Passes

[cguarino30]

I don't think there's a chance it will pass, but I hope it does. There I said it.

1) importation restrictions would deter people without the necessary time, expertise, seriousness, and money from keeping rare, wild fish that need extra attention

2) the temporary spike in fish prices would encourage more domestic breeding/farming programs, diminishing what I see as a massive influx of east asian farm stock of inferior quality and questionable origins

3) Virtually none of the fish I keep are wild imports, and if I had to I could certainly have gotten them from a domestic breeder, or gotten other fish that I would enjoy just as much

*braces self for hatemail*

 

[jcardona1]

lol! this bill wont pass. these extreme bills never do pass. they just cause hysteria for no reason

 

[Austin]

i guess you don't understand. It would ban captive breeding also chief so you'd still be SOL with you're "non-imported" captive bred stock....

 

[Austin]

lol! this bill wont pass. these extreme bills never do pass. they just cause hysteria for no reason

agreed

 

[cguarino30]

i guess you don't understand. It would ban captive breeding also chief so you'd still be SOL with you're "non-imported" captive bred stock....

First of all, calm down. Second, it would only ban breeding of fishes that were deemed by the secretary of the interior to be a potential hazard. That doesn't include any fish I'm particularly worried about.

 

[cguarino30]

lol! this bill wont pass. these extreme bills never do pass. they just cause hysteria for no reason

That's probably true as well. I'm mostly just stating my case because I haven't seen anyone argue the positives. Definitely agree that it's a pointless hysteria

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

 

[jcardona1]

That's probably true as well. I'm mostly just stating my case because I haven't seen anyone argue the positives. Definitely agree that it's a pointless hysteria

yeah, but even then, this bill would be no good for any fish keeper, even if you dont keep the "restricted" species. you could see your favorite local shop/vendor/breeder whatever go out of business. its nice to be all captain-america about it and wanna save the environment, but if love the hobby you would not support a bill like this, unless youre just looking to get some attention.

thatd be like me saying i support all these stupid gun bans when im pro-gun

 

[cguarino30]

yeah, but even then, this bill would be no good for any fish keeper, even if you dont keep the "restricted" species. you could see your favorite local shop/vendor/breeder whatever go out of business. its nice to be all captain-america about it and wanna save the environment, but if love the hobby you would not support a bill like this, unless youre just looking to get some attention.

thatd be like me saying i support all these stupid gun bans when im pro-gun

First of all, I've heard plenty of people say that this will cause the end of lfs business, but nobody has ever told me how. I refuse to believe that a strong business would not be able to survive something as miniscule as (and I'm exaggerating for effect) a complete lack of live fish to sell. Furthermore, we don't need stores to keep the hobby going. I prefer to get my stock from other hobbyists and aquarium societies anyway. Also, you'll notice that none of my reasons for supporting the bill involved the environment.

I would liken it more to someone who owns hunting rifles saying they are for a ban on handguns. For me to be as hypocritical as you are insinuating, I would need to be a fish importer who wants the bill to pass, or something more similar. Not simply a hobbyist. I also don't appreciate being told what I need to believe if I REALLY love something. I'll decide what I love and what I believe, thank you.

 

[jcardona1]

First of all, I've heard plenty of people say that this will cause the end of lfs business, but nobody has ever told me how. I refuse to believe that a strong business would not be able to survive something as miniscule as (and I'm exaggerating for effect) a complete lack of live fish to sell. Furthermore, we don't need stores to keep the hobby going. I prefer to get my stock from other hobbyists and aquarium societies anyway. Also, you'll notice that none of my reasons for supporting the bill involved the environment.

that right there shows you have NO knowledge of the real-world aspect of this bill. you make it seem like mom-n-pop fish stores are making huge bucks. talk to any owner, they hardly make a profit. take away what in most cases is their biggest income producing product line (live fish) and what have you left? fish food? come on now. if you fail to see how this could affect a small business then you need to get a clue.

and you say youd prefer to get your fish from other hobbyists and aquarium societies. if importers cant bring them in, and people cant breed them and shops cant sell them, where will you get the fish from?

I would liken it more to someone who owns hunting rifles saying they are for a ban on handguns. For me to be as hypocritical as you are insinuating, I would need to be a fish importer who wants the bill to pass, or something more similar. Not simply a hobbyist. I also don't appreciate being told what I need to believe if I REALLY love something. I'll decide what I love and what I believe, thank you.

im not telling you what to belive, i could care less what you belive. im telling you what i think. isnt that why you started this thread, to get opinions? or are you one of those guys that thinks that all those who disagree with your supreme logic is wrong?


ok, no more feeding the troll!