ID a Satanoperca please

[of1234]

Hello everybody,

Recently I bought two WC Satanopercas from Columbia. Those are supposed to be Lecustictas. They are 6-7" in size, somewhat pinkish

By oferf at 2012-03-29

After getting them, I noticed they are quite different from the other two "Lecustictas" I had in my tank. I have another two young ones ~ 3-4". Also WC but not sure where from, got here as Juroparies most probably from Columbia or Brazil.

here is one of the small ones:

By oferf at 2012-04-07


And here are all the four together

By oferf at 2012-04-07

As you can notice, the smaller two are a bit different from each other (one had dots, the other short strips) but both considerably different from the new ones. The colors are marking is just different

Can someone ID if those are all Leucostica or some other variants?

Thanks

 

[abarilot]

I'd say the two in the first photo are S. mapiritensis and the ones in the second are S. leucosticta. JK47 can tell you more about the S. maps

 

[JK47]

S. mapiritensis do come from Columbia as well as Venezuela, if you know they are wild caught, do you know collection locale or province? I would have to agree the two in the first pic do look more like maps than S. leucosticta. The tightly packed spotting on the muzzle are subtle differences but are different none the less. Can you get a photo of the two in the first pic without flash on your camera? If you can and there are no spangling on the flanks of the fish directly under the dorsal, then yes they are maps and a great score!

The others are for sure S. leucosticta. Is the dorsal on the two new fish taller in profile than the others?

 

[of1234]

S. mapiritensis do come from Columbia as well as Venezuela, if you know they are wild caught, do you know collection locale or province? I would have to agree the two in the first pic do look more like maps than S. leucosticta. The tightly packed spotting on the muzzle are subtle differences but are different none the less. Can you get a photo of the two in the first pic without flash on your camera? If you can and there are no spangling on the flanks of the fish directly under the dorsal, then yes they are maps and a great score!

The others are for sure S. leucosticta. Is the dorsal on the two new fish taller in profile than the others?

Thanks,

Can't tell the collection place, just that they were shipped here by a columbian supplier...

No flash in the pictures. just 10K T5, the fish are glowing...

Here are two more recent, pictures of the two kinds in the same place same time, so same lighting. dorsal fin open in both. To me it does seem the new one has spanglings under the dorsal but somewhat different from the older one. As for the dorsat height, the one on the older looks taller to me.

By oferf at 2012-04-07

By oferf at 2012-04-07

 

[JK47]

Thanks,

Can't tell the collection place, just that they were shipped here by a columbian supplier...

No flash in the pictures. just 10K T5, the fish are glowing...

Here are two more recent, pictures of the two kinds in the same place same time, so same lighting. dorsal fin open in both. To me it does seem the new one has spanglings under the dorsal but somewhat different from the older one. As for the dorsat height, the one on the older looks taller to me.

By oferf at 2012-04-07

By oferf at 2012-04-07

It's close but I am going to have to say not S. mapiritensis based on these pics (it really is close, I would say I'm 80%, sure, 20% on the fence). Any spotting under the dorsal rules out this species. There are many varients of S. leucosticta similar to the many varients of G. altifrons. All will be slightly different from one another based off of regional locale. Maybe one day we will get lucky enough to have the many varients broken into actual species.

 

[of1234]

Thanks again JK47. So for now I'll consider all four to be lecusticta. We will see if with time one gets a different look....