id of atabapo

[muhdhilmi_21]

hi guys just got 2 red atabapo today. can anyone help identify if this 2 are atabapo I or atabapo II? size are about 6-7 inches. thank you!

 

[Rocksor]

That is definitely the more common Atabapo lugubris "red". The 1 or 2 doesn't matter as that is simply which one was found first, and even then there's a dispute as a result of mislabelled pictures online. The other one is Atabapo lugubris "ladder" which requires very soft acidic water with heavy tannins and will get really bad HITH or HLLE in a short amount of time if not provided this. As the name suggests it has a ladder pattern until around the adult stage and has a much bigger "tear drop" under the eye and red dots along the lateral line near the tail fin. It will eventually get a deeper red under the right water conditions and diet. Also, The red does require soft water with tannins, but it doesn't develop HITH or HLLE as ladder.

 

[kno4te]

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[muhdhilmi_21]

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That is definitely the more common Atabapo lugubris "red". The 1 or 2 doesn't matter as that is simply which one was found first, and even then there's a dispute as a result of mislabelled pictures online. The other one is Atabapo lugubris "ladder" which requires very soft acidic water with heavy tannins and will get really bad HITH or HLLE in a short amount of time if not provided this. As the name suggests it has a ladder pattern until around the adult stage and has a much bigger "tear drop" under the eye and red dots along the lateral line near the tail fin. It will eventually get a deeper red under the right water conditions and diet. Also, The red does require soft water with tannins, but it doesn't develop HITH or HLLE as ladder.

thank you so much for the good info! appreciate your clarification!