Agree with the first being GATF.
The second one is tricky for me as to tell VATF, BATF, TATF, etc. apart I'd need to sweat over the ID sticky by
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Chicxulub
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BTW, the whole taxonomy of the colorful ATF (that is non-GATF) needs much work and according to our resident experts Wes and Chicx we may be getting the colorfull species all wrong anyway.
So I don't even wanna try anymore.
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