If your LFS is awesome is it okay

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If your LFS is awesome and you know for a fact it has an insanely good filtration system with probably the best quality water your fish will ever experience, is it really so bad to after 30 minutes just let the water out into the cycled aquarium with the fish instead of go through the trendy process of pouring tank water into bag and attempting to make sure no LFS water gets into aquarium?

I just cannot see the negatives if your fish is coming from your most trusted LFS with dozens of ponds in back and huge sumps and all.
 
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I have had the pleasure of visting some really nice shops but I doubt that most of them have the time or means to quarantine all of the fish that they bring in before they place them up for sale so there is always the chance of dangerous free swimming organisims existing in the shop's water.
I make it a point not to pour very much if any of the store water into my tanks.
 
Well they may have some awesome filtration but they can't control the wholesalers conditions where the fish was kept prior to them having the fish.....disease could come in with importation and can be in their water regardless of how well they filter their tanks
 
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Acclimating not only is a protection against disease, but its used to allow the fish to adjust to any pH difference or temperature difference. Not only that but the time the fish is in the bag it produced a very high bioload in a very small volume. Though your LFS may take awesome care of their fish, you know nothing about the importer. These are just a couple reasons why its a bad idea. Why even bother though? Whats the advantage. I always advise drip acclimation in which you literally need a bucket and a dollar worth of tubing.
 
I would say that if you're adding the fish to a newly cycled tank that has no fish in it yet, then yes, it's ok.

If you are adding the fish to a tank that already has fish in it, then you should really quarantine them first, but at the very least, you should try to put as little water from the LFS into your tank as possible. Doesn't matter how good your LFS is, this should be done.
 
Acclimating not only is a protection against disease, but its used to allow the fish to adjust to any pH difference or temperature difference. Not only that but the time the fish is in the bag it produced a very high bioload in a very small volume. Though your LFS may take awesome care of their fish, you know nothing about the importer. These are just a couple reasons why its a bad idea. Why even bother though? Whats the advantage. I always advise drip acclimation in which you literally need a bucket and a dollar worth of tubing.
I hadnt even touched on the other aspects of acclimation,probably because the op did not point out any of them but good raised in the above post.I'd gotten to the point of doing the bucket drip method only with my saltwater fish.
 
Acclimating not only is a protection against disease, but its used to allow the fish to adjust to any pH difference or temperature difference. Not only that but the time the fish is in the bag it produced a very high bioload in a very small volume. Though your LFS may take awesome care of their fish, you know nothing about the importer. These are just a couple reasons why its a bad idea. Why even bother though? Whats the advantage. I always advise drip acclimation in which you literally need a bucket and a dollar worth of tubing.


While that's all hypothetically good sounding and all, I still think it's highly debatable in terms of fish stress.

The modernist method of cutting the bag, pouring in tank water, then rinse and repeating that process for an hour or so, all with the new fish sitting in the bag in the tank, then netting the fish out of that operated on water and into the tank rather than a seamless pouring of the elite LFS water into the tank after 30 min temp float adjustment, that all sounds more stressing to the fish, not less stressing as intended. I understand the concept. Attempt to make everything perfect before the plunge. But does the fish actually appreciate being in the bag while you do water operations on the bag for an hour? I'd put a lot of money on the answer being no. I understand the concept though I just don't agree with the perspective I guess more than anything.
 
There's a school of thought about just dumping the fish into a large net as soon as you get it home and dropping it right in the tank water. I have had several fish that have been shipped to me, or shipped to someone at a fish club event then given to me, and I think its far more dangerous to float them and let that ammonia ridden bag water heat up. If the temperature difference between the bag and your tank isn't extreme it shouldn't be a massive difference. Unless its a species that requires very high or very low ph, the chances are the water it comes from and goes into is probably not different enough to warrant keeping the fish in nasty water any longer than necessary.

Again, common sense goes a long way here, if you have a very low ph blackwater setup and your dumping a LFS fish in, it you probably don't want to go from 7.6 ph to something in the low 6's. I haven't acclimated a fish by floating it in quite some time except for one I got this past winter who's bag got way to cold. In that case I did cut the bag and slowly introduce some of my tank water while letting him warm up a bit. I always opt to place my large net over a 5 gallon bucket and dump the whole contents of the bag gently as possible into the net, let it drip for about a second and then dump the fish. Some caveats for me are I recently received a shipment from the west coast, I dumped the fish into the net then dipped the net for a few seconds in another bucket of tank water before introducing the fish to the tank. Again, I didn't leave a fish who spent all night in a bag floating around the top of my aquarium.
 
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I always float in the bag, then net out; since I was lead to believe any change in water chemistry will be a shock anyway, so it's best to get it over and done with. Since reading that info, I do try to drip acclimate when I can; but at the end of the day, keeping the fish in the bag for an hour, would rarely provide a negative outcome unless the fish is doomed to begin with disease or parasite wise.

All depends on the type of fish too, some are absolutely bulletproof, others are so so fragile that you just wouldn't risk it
 
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