Keeping saxatilis vs. keeping lugubris

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I was wondering if I need to do anything different while raising lugubris than saxatilis? Ive had great success in raising sax pikes into attractive adults, and I just got 2 c.johanna and I wanna do the same for them. I got them from Rapps and they were sort of beat up from shipping but they have really come around in the last two weeks. What can I do to bring out the maximun coloration in them. Thanks for any responses in advance.
 
Well, for starters, Saxatilis pikes are generally smaller, less aggressive, and WAY easier to breed. Lugubris pikes can really get some size on them, can have a lot of attitude, and are notoriously difficult to breed...barely been done at all. You're practically in a whole new ball park. They are pretty much similar with feedin and water parameters, although Lugubris pikes can be more piscivourus and will for the most part require larger food stuffs. Several large, full pieces of cocktail shrimp is a common meal for Lugubris pikes.

Having Saxatilis pikes, I'm sure you know all about the aggression. With Lugubris pikes, they can trick you. As juv. they will actually stay in groups...probably for protection and the like. As they reach the subadult age though, there starts to be changes...in attitude and appearance. In Lugubris pikes this is commonly known as the 'teenage' stage...as they will have mood swings and go through coloration changes. Some Lugubris pikes...like Crenicichla sp. 'xingu I' will go through at least two distinct color changes before reaching maturity. Very amazing and awesome to be able to watch them go through this transformation. They will also generally become more aggressive towards each other to the point that you might have to seperate them. If your lucky though, you might be able to get a pair outa them...or they might live peacefully together...although you have a better chance of gettin a pair.

Best way to bring out the best coloration in them is to give them a VARIED diet! Mysis shrimp, cocktail shrimp, algae wafers, blood worms, blackworms, earthworms, krill, Hikari Sinkin Carnivoure Pellets, squid, clams, catfish fillets. Practically anything meaty they will eat....or not meaty. You just have to experiment.

Personally...i LOVE Lugubris pikes because of their size, attitudes, and coloration...especially the coloration changes they go through. They can be more challenging I think...but are definately worth it!

Get some pictures up of those johannas el pronto aight?!
 
Thanks P, I knew that you would be the one to come thru for me with the knowledge. I am in the process of a day to day, week to week photo documentation of the recovery process of larger fish that have been shipped. The johannas I have now are currently residing in a 60g ''naked'' sick bay tank. As soon as I get the aquascaping completed in a week or so Ill get the pics up. I just dont feel that they are ''presentable'' at the moment. You know I like my fish all prettied up for they pictures. Im sure that Im gonna flaunting them in a month or so, just like my sveni. Thanks again for the reply.
 
Hey Chongo, Its chongo....
 
peepa;763552; said:
Hey Chongo, Its chongo....

Mr. peepa, aka the original CHANGO, welcome to the real world of fishkeeping. Young redeye, it is time for you to put the 10g aside as a feeder tank, and lets get you set up with at least 60g and some predatory fish and plants to get this party started.
 
I've found my Lugs to be more chill than the sax's Ive had. so def make sure to have seperate places for them to chill. either a nice slab cave or wood they can hang under.

Also since Lugs get bigger, a lil extra on the water movement to keep em happy as well.

good colors come from happy fish. feed good, clean moving water and chill spot. those J's will be flashing at ya like a top model LOL...
 
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