I bought 3 wc L-14's on sunday, these are beautys. They are small now but I can't wait till they get 10"-12". I had a hard time finding them, I was buying a 125 off a guy in nebraska and I asked if he had any L-168 butterflys and he said he had 14's. and he was cutting through Iowa and could drop tank and fish off to me on his way through. 1 week later I had a new tank and 3 really cool plecos. I'll post pics when I get my 125 set up.