yeah, I've definitely looked at a couple of those articles, but i was tryin to get some first hand knowledge, haha. everyone really says something different though. You got a lot of plecos, I saw in your other reply on the multi plecos. My one female L134 is definately ready to pop out some eggs, but she hasnt....I just tried puttin g them through monsoon season, but her only change in behavior is that she went behind a log from being on the glass, then from the log to her own tube, then back to the wood. The one male took a huge cave instead of a small one, and the other male took one of the small caves, but it is out of the stream...I'm thinking I might need to reposition them somehow, but will that piss off the male?