La Ceiba/Rio Danto Parachromis spawning drama

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Jack Dempsey
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As some may know, I recently purchased a pair of the Parachromis species from La Ceiba, Honduras (probably friedrichsthallii from what I understand). They have been displaying for each other since I got them, and last night I noticed the female's tube had dropped. Unfortunatly when I woke this morning (or afternoon, 1:30 PM :redface:), the male had chased the female into a corner so I put in a divider.

However when I went upstairs to bed tonight, I noticed the female swimming low over a rock in rows and saw that she had covered the top surface with several hundred eggs while the male watched very, very impatiently from the other side of the eggcrate. Just my luck huh? :nilly:His face was getting smashed up from the divider and the rock was a good fifteen inches or so from him, so I took the divider out to see what would happen while I kept a close watch.

He immediately approached the eggs and was met by strong resistance from the female. Unfortunatly, she did not recognize him as the neccessary partner. She defended the site with great fury, managing to keep the male away despite the significant size difference. Eventually after several minutes of jawing, both fish deserted the site and retreated to the opposite side of the tank.

A short while later, the male again approached the eggs, but angled himself downwards as if to eat them. The female recognized this cue and came to defend the eggs. After a bit of lip locking, the pair retreated again. This cycle repeated maybe two or three times, before the much larger male started chasing the female in circles around the tank. At this time I replaced the divider, as the male was neither willing nor able to fertilize the eggs. I can only hope that he tried to before I discovered them, but I do not even know if this is possible from fifteen inches away. I guess only time will tell.

Attached is a terrible cell phone picture of the pair liplocking with the eggs in the foreground. The photo is very blury, but the entire top surface (lighter in color) of the rock is covered in solid eggs.

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Oh well better luck next time......
 
The female is still going! The male is watching it like a porno, lying on the sand, mouth hanging open haha. I hope that is what long distance fertilization looks like! Is there some sort of a cloud or plume that I should be able to see? Haha this is bizzare.
 
i wouldnt be surprised if some got fetilized. The fertility percentage would be low though. But i think ive heard of this happening. If the water flows from where the male was over the eggs that your in good shape.
 
I breed mine trough a divider and get nearly 100% hatch, put a flat rok on either side of the divider right next to it and no other rocks in the tank, she will lay on that and the male is only an inch away and he will do his job. I have two pairs (my wild pair and F1 with male from Rusty and female from mine)and they both have fry right now bred this way. Ken

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Yep, you can still get fertilized eggs even with an eggcrate divider. MDH dropped off a female RTM back in March. I had a full divider up and running, she laid eggs on the far side of it, but the male still got a bunch of them fertilized. Fish porn star material? lol
 
I would put a powerhead in there blowing water from the males side to the females side and over the eggs.

Ken its amazing that you had your lay all those eggs and you didnt lose a single one, i mean thats like finding a golden goose.
 
I have two HOB filters on the male's side of the tank generating a total current of 600 gph in a 55 gallon. Lucky coincidence I guess :) Looks like the actual distance between the male and the site was really closer to ten inches.

This morning all the eggs are still here. I would say there are close to a thousand and I will try for pictures with the actual digital camera today.
 
GMFISHNUT;3142856; said:
Are you sure that's a La Ceiba male. The male looks like a Motoguense. Where did you get them?

He looks very motaguense in that photo, but there was a whole identification thread. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243177 The majority of the votes went for mota, but experts (read: mojo) said La Ceiba. You can see in those pictures how the male has the typical head profile you see with the La Ceiba fish. The color is very strange though. In person the female has a yellow body with an orange head. The male is mostly yellow with green-ish blue tints, and both fish have this color on the fins as well. Ironically, at one point there were more posts saying the fish were La Ceiba than votes :confused:

Here are some better pictures of the eggs. About 16 hours later, a small amount are succumbing to fungus (Less than 20 out of 1000). I included close up pictures of both fish to show the damage done during the custody battle. Both fish are very beat up, but do not seem to mind. When will I be able to tell if the eggs are fertile?

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