Large Mouth Bass...Where did he go???

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Rick Blaine

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I have a 14" Large Mouth Bass in a tank with a 14" Red Tail Catfish and 13" Tiger Shovelnose Catfish. I went fishing today, caught some green sunfish to toss in for feeders. I also caught some bass, released all but the smallest one, who was 7-8" long. I tossed him in my tank, went back outside to get the rest of my gear, and I'm looking around and can't see the new bass. I think he's jumped out somehow, so I'm looking behind the tank and this is what I see:

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A few weeks ago, the Red Tail ate my 4 year old Pleco that was around 8" long. I think he's going to need a solitary tank.
 
Solitary tank? Try solitary pond, though I'm sure you're aware of how large they grow. Not suprising that it ate the bass. The moment I read that you even had a RTC I figured thats what had happened.
 
sandtiger;1182454; said:
Solitary tank? Try solitary pond, though I'm sure you're aware of how large they grow. Not suprising that it ate the bass. The moment I read that you even had a RTC I figured thats what had happened.

The LFS where I bought this one is expanding, and they are builing a large indoor display pond. I may give this one back, because he's growing faster than I can keep buying new tanks. My large mouth bass is a pig, but he's not grown much this last year, and my tiger shovelnose likes to eat one or two goldfish per week, and he's growing slowly.

The red tail will eat until he barfs up half digested feeders, and then he just keeps on eating. I've got him trained to come to the top and take feeders from my hand (as well as pellets, he eats everything that fits in his mouth). I was just shocked that he put away a large mouth bass so fast. I should have kept the larger ones I tossed back.
 
Rick Blaine;1182886; said:
The LFS where I bought this one is expanding, and they are builing a large indoor display pond. I may give this one back, because he's growing faster than I can keep buying new tanks. My large mouth bass is a pig, but he's not grown much this last year, and my tiger shovelnose likes to eat one or two goldfish per week, and he's growing slowly.

The red tail will eat until he barfs up half digested feeders, and then he just keeps on eating. I've got him trained to come to the top and take feeders from my hand (as well as pellets, he eats everything that fits in his mouth). I was just shocked that he put away a large mouth bass so fast. I should have kept the larger ones I tossed back.



RTC really need a 20x10ft indoor pond or aquarium, a 16x8ft would be acceptable though, since they can easily grow to 4-5ft+ long.


You shouldn't be feeding the RTC so much as well if he's barfing up feeders all the time (not to mention its very bad for the water quality of the tank), how often are you feeding him and what are you giving him to eat exactly and in what quantities?
 
Druu;1183071; said:
The tank looks pretty small for a RTC too. What are the dimensions and the gallon rating?


Digital photos are misleading. His tank is large enough...for now.
 
Tokis-Phoenix;1184268; said:
You shouldn't be feeding the RTC so much as well if he's barfing up feeders all the time (not to mention its very bad for the water quality of the tank), how often are you feeding him and what are you giving him to eat exactly and in what quantities?

His current feeding schedule has been modified, but he shares space with two others that like to eat. I'm trying something different this month, using much larger feeders (farm raised 5-6" feeders: gold fish, sunfishes, carp). The larger feeders don't just dive for the corners, making an easy feast. I have an enourmous resource for these (several of my clients raise fish in large aquaculture operations).

The water quality is amazing. I have enough filtration for over 1,000 gallons, and water changes are routine (more often than necessary, but my system makes them a breeze), and I have additional capacity in storage, but so far, unnecessary.
 
Rick Blaine;1196943; said:
His current feeding schedule has been modified, but he shares space with two others that like to eat. I'm trying something different this month, using much larger feeders (farm raised 5-6" feeders: gold fish, sunfishes, carp). The larger feeders don't just dive for the corners, making an easy feast. I have an enourmous resource for these (several of my clients raise fish in large aquaculture operations).

The water quality is amazing. I have enough filtration for over 1,000 gallons, and water changes are routine (more often than necessary, but my system makes them a breeze), and I have additional capacity in storage, but so far, unnecessary.



The best time to feed the RTC is when they become more active and display their predatory prowling behavior, pacing up and down the tank. after the fish has eaten it will become a lot more inactive and you shouldn't feed it until the fish next becomes very active.


RTC are facultitive piscivores, that is, while they have evolved to catch and eat small fish, they also eat a variety of other small animals as well. A good RTC diet should thus contain more than just feeder fish- you should try feeding your RTC crayfish/lobsters, crabs, prawns, earthworms, bloodworms, mussels, and other meaty foods. Many will also take frozen whitebait and lancefish as well.
One of the many keys to good health in RTC is to give them a varied diet :thumbsup: .


The main disadvantage of using live fish as food is the risk of introducing parasites and bacteria into the aquarium. Cheap, mass produced fish, especially goldfish, are maintained in squalid conditions. Mortality, even when these fish are kept as pets, is high. While one goldfish might only pose a small risk to a predator, the risk is cumulative over time. So if you feed a predatory fish a goldfish once every two or three days, even after only a few months the chance of infecting your pet fish with something nasty is virtually a certainty.

A second disadvantage is nutritional imbalance. Goldfish in particular are fatty and are not a healthy staple diet for most piscivorous fish. In the wild, piscivorous fishes will take a wide range of species, some herbivorous, others smaller predators. This means that the piscivorous fish will be able to obtain a correspondingly wide range of nutrients. Simply feeding one species of feeder fish is both unnatural and very likely unhealthy. This problem can, to a degree, be mitigated by "gut loading" feeder fish (see Best Practise, below). By contrast, flake and pellet foods have been carefully formulated to provide a perfect diet for fish. While it might seem monotonous to us, these prepared foods are actually the best all-round diet for most fish.

A third disadvantage is that some feeder fish (notably goldfish and rosy-red minnows) contain large amounts of the enzyme thiaminase. This breaks down thiamin (vitamin B1) and over time this will lead to serious health problems.
 
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