I a nice one that i got from fish farm last march at 1 1/4" he is about 8 " now and really deep and fat. I waiting for dave to come by and take some pics (mine come out terrible) and then I'll put him up, danny you need to come by everything is coloring up with adult colors now, Islantum, chanco, nic. dovii pair ( crazy colors), cuban, man/dovii hybrid (crazy colors), 8" male umbie ( coloring up real nice), trimac, midas. i got a wc peruvian festae that came in colored up crazy near 4", never seen them color up like that at that size. i got them from Dan at cichlids of the americas and if u like festae and he has any more i wouldn't pass them up. If i had the room i would get a few more. Pm me and we'll get up.