thanks all. he is one of jeff's (2nd batch as i was told) kelberis i got from james. =] thanks for all your kind comments guys. i only have 1 for now. i have too many plants lol im trying to get him to stop hiding (so far its a no go =[) i wanna add substrate but im afraid that will alter my pH ive reached my ideal zone right now. hes doing great eating live convicts for now. he hasnt gotten into the cichla striking mode yet trying to get him to stop being shy lil guy. oh and the fin clammpin is in the middle where the black line is on his anal fin.