Looking for Poly specific health info... Del Bloat/dropsy

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Hey guys wanted to put this in the poly forum instead of general health...

Long story short - went a little overkill with the growout del, plus side he grew like a weed (like a full 1.5-2" in a matter of a couple weeks), downside - I believe a pellet may have caused a temporary internal blockage that caused an infection. One day I noticed he was starting to get a bit swollen with red streaks. Timeline:

Immediately went to water changes and epsom salts, fish did defecate - I had general cure on hand and read on the sticky metronidazole can help, so I ran a course of that and bumped the temp. In the meantime I ordered Maracyn 2. No notable improvement from the GC, in fact the fish started going went backwards with clamped fins the last morning of the course. Deep Redness persisted around the gills and butt.

Changed the water, started giving daily epsom salt dips and realized I had some kanaplex on hand - ran a course of that and the fish's energy seemed to return - but the swelling/pinecone effect was holding strong. Despite seeing some improvement the Maracyn came in the mail and seemed like the stronger medication so I hit a water change and started the course.

Today was day 6 of the Maracyn 2, I continued epsom salt dips throughout - The fish is in dramatically better shape and no longer has the "swollen" look - the redness is drastically reduced but there is still some bloody scales near the left gillplate and there is still a SLIGHT pinecone effect despite the fact that the fish's profile is back to normal. I changed out for clean water and I'm looking for advice on where to go from here.

Would you run a second course of Maracyn2 starting tomorrow - or would you keep the water clean and observe for a couple of days to see if the remainder of the infection clears up from the first course? The fish is acting normal, I did just feed for the first time in this process. Just a small silverside head, I didn't want to go with pellets just yet I figured the natural frozen food may be better on the fishes system. He went right for it without hesitation which is a good sign.

Thanks in advance... I can probably count on one hand the number of non-dither freshwater fish I've lost in over a decade in the hobby and this is my first experience with an internal infection so trying to do things as correctly as possible.
 
Can definitely do that.. Just didn't know if that could hurt anything putting the fish through that again back to back

Next morning update:
Redness is gone, only real symptom is that the scales on the fish are still slightly/angled up all the way down the fish
 
Can definitely do that.. Just didn't know if that could hurt anything putting the fish through that again back to back

Next morning update:
Redness is gone, only real symptom is that the scales on the fish are still slightly/angled up all the way down the fish
Unfortunately any treatment with meds is stressful and no idea what it’s doing to the fish. But it seems like it did help. Would do another round and Keep an eye on the scales if it comes down. Would wait after that and see how it responds. Is it eating? Is this a cb delhezi?
 
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Unfortunately any treatment with meds is stressful and no idea what it’s doing to the fish. But it seems like it did help. Would do another round and Keep an eye on the scales if it comes down. Would wait after that and see how it responds. Is it eating? Is this a cb delhezi?

Assuming CB, appetite isn't an issue - after the first round of Maracyn 2 I fed him a silverside head and he mobbed it.

I gave it a full 24 hours off and the following morning after that he had his fins clamped again which was a bummer.

Currently on day 4 of Maracyn round 2 - activity levels are good, just fed him two hikari carnivore pellets which were taken quickly - still feel like the scales are SLIGHTLY elevated but no swelling to speak of throughout the body. He's not a little spiky hotdog anymore but I'm curious how he does after the end of this round of meds.
 
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Update on my little guy.. Finished round 2 of Maracyn2 on Monday and did a full water change Monday and Today (Thurs).

Gave an Epsom Salt dip Monday and Wednesday (1TBSP/Gallon in a small bucket)

Haven't dosed any other meds but have kept Melafix and Epsom Salt (1/2TBSP per 10G) in the water.

Fed 2 Hikari Carnivore pellets Monday, 2 Wednesday, and 2 today. Fishes body composition hasn't changed/no swelling.

Eyes are totally cleared back up and activity levels are pretty well back to normal. Fish is responsive when I walk by the tank following me for food, isn't gasping anymore, and the redness has drastically reduced around the fins.

The main visual symptom that he was ever sick was that I still feel like his scales are partially elevated. Is it possible when the fish expanded he actuall stretched them a bit? Has anybody ever had a bichir that went through significant bloat and if so did it take some time after the symptoms cleared up for the scales to lay back down flush?

I've attached some pictures to show what I'm seeing. Added a couple of arrows where it's easy to see the texture on the fish, it's not just like that on the sides but pretty much the same elevation all the way down his back and sides. I've put a lot of effort in to keeping this fish alive and well, open to any suggestions on what to do moving forward.

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No opinions?
 
Don’t look to bad. Would get it to eat and make sure not to overfeed.
 
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Don’t look to bad. Would get it to eat and make sure not to overfeed.

cool. Figured I was probably overanalyzing at this point, will continue on a couple pellets or a silverside head every couple Days for a week or two and make sure the worse symptoms don’t come back
 
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