Looking for some sort of LSN hybrid or other cool 20" max cat

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Mr.kelberi

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So I have a LSN currently from what I read they get to about 20" max. I'm looking for another cat to go with him, something 'cool'(subjective i know). Something that will get to about 20" max

I was thinking some sort of LSN x hybrid if they exist or something else.

Give me some ideas!
 
There are hybrids but they are crossed with a rtc so I would think they would get way over 20". But those are the only hybrids that I know of.
 
LSN do and look the best in groups of 6, better 12.

They do not exceed 1', being in reality Sorubim elongatus, not Sorubim lima. AFAIK.

LSNxRTC hybrid is the only one I know of too but it is pretty much not available, very expensive I'd assume too due to its utter rarity. And repugnant IMHO, as all hybrids are. vincentwugwg vincentwugwg has a leucistic one and I am sure will disagree :)

I'd recommend filtering Planet Catfish Cat-eLog by size and listing cats you find "cool", available to you, and affordable so we could have a more efficient discussion and help you better.
 
yeah i know of the RTC x LSN but im sure there are others..guess they are just pretty rare.

I think some hybrids are pretty cool looking but I agree some are ugly haha. As for having 6-12 lima that won't be happening maybe 2-3, they are in a tank with 7 pbass, a poly and a phantom pleco.

I was trying to browse the cat e-log by size but I didn't see that option, I might be blind, I'll have to check again when I get home
 
I love the jelly cats, not super common but I've definitely seen them before, maybe once or twice in the last 6 months. maybe keep an eye on Jeff Rapps' stock at tangledupincichlids.com. The zebras are more common. Both very cool fish
 
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yeah i know of the RTC x LSN but im sure there are others..guess they are just pretty rare.

The purpose of hybridization here is to create a hybrid as a profitable food fish (and then we get the refuse from the farming operations), as, say, opposed to hybridization of synodontis catfish, which is done to make money in the ornamental fish trade. LSN is too skinny of a fish, too slow growing and too small-growing to be a viable candidate. So South American and SE Asian experimenters only dabbled into LSN to cover their bases, hence, ~ none is available.

I don't suppose they are all that viable either. Statistics is against it. 1 in 1000 kinds of hybrids turns out viable enough for a farming production. The only really successful ones have been so far TSN x RTC and TSN x Leiarius marmoratus, it seems from what's available.

RTCxTSN (where RTC is a mother),
LeiariusxTSN,
RTCxparoon,
RTCxLeiarius,
LeiariusxRTC,
LSNxRTC,
and literally thousands of other combinations of primarily large-growing Pimelodidae catfish

are not viable, not a strong, hardy fish. Just because 1 in a million survive into adulthood and we see them very rarely doesn't make them viable offspring.

NOTE: Mother must be listed first, father second. So the common hybrid is TSN x RTC, not at all RTC x TSN. Mother is Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum. Father is RTC.

The majority of offspring's traits are dominated by motherly genes. Not a 51% majority but looks like 80%-90%.

... I think some hybrids are pretty cool looking but I agree some are ugly haha.

My personal objection is based on moral, not aesthetics. ;)

figured out how to use the cat e-log!

how about these options

https://www.planetcatfish.com/common/species.php?species_id=354
https://www.planetcatfish.com/common/species.php?species_id=1087

impossible to find? Wrong max lengths listed?

Both are widely available. Tigs are pricey $150-$250. Tigs grow to about 24"+ TL (total length). Cat-eLog lists SL standard length, excluding the tail fin. I've heard of only one tig reaching 3'. Probably an exception. Like a 7' human.

Cephalosilurus species, all three, are a swimming mouth. They will eat everything in your tank and ask for more.

Black bullheads, ulture catfish,blackest catfish

Never heard of the Blackest catfish. What's its science name? :) Oxydoras niger? :)
 
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The purpose of hybridization here is to create a hybrid as a profitable food fish (and then we get the refuse from the farming operations), as, say, opposed to hybridization of synodontis catfish, which is done to make money in the ornamental fish trade. LSN is too skinny of a fish, too slow growing and too small-growing to be a viable candidate. So South American and SE Asian experimenters only dabbled into LSN to cover their bases, hence, ~ none is available.

I don't suppose they are all that viable either. Statistics is against it. 1 in 1000 kinds of hybrids turns out viable enough for a farming production. The only really successful ones have been so far TSN x RTC and TSN x Leiarius marmoratus, it seems from what's available.

RTCxTSN (where RTC is a mother),
LeiariusxTSN,
RTCxparoon,
RTCxLeiarius,
LeiariusxRTC,
LSNxRTC,
and literally thousands of other combinations of primarily large-growing Pimelodidae catfish

are not viable, not a strong, hardy fish. Just because 1 in a million survive into adulthood and we see them very rarely doesn't make them viable offspring.

NOTE: Mother must be listed first, father second. So the common hybrid is TSN x RTC, not at all RTC x TSN. Mother is Pseudoplatystoma fasciatum. Father is RTC.

The majority of offspring's traits are dominated by motherly genes. Not a 51% majority but looks like 80%-90%.



My personal objection is based on moral, not aesthetics. ;)



Both are widely available. Tigs are pricey $150-$250. Tigs grow to about 24"+ TL (total length). Cat-eLog lists SL standard length, excluding the tail fin. I've heard of only one tig reaching 3'. Probably an exception. Like a 7' human.

Cephalosilurus species, all three, are a swimming mouth. They will eat everything in your tank and ask for more.



Never heard of the Blackest catfish. What's its science name? :) Oxydoras niger? :)

Sorry supposed to say black ear.

Another successful hybrid bred for fish farms is channel x blue catfish,which grows big faster and feeds on pellets more readily than pure blue catfish.
 
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