Lugubris eating crayfish

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What else are you feeding your pikes? I have a male johanna that I swear eats nothing BUT crayfish. Completely disinterested in feeders. I am gut-loading the crayfish with massivore and trying to make sure he eats, but it's worrying me a lot. Were yours eating anything other than feeders when you first got them, if you don't mind me asking?
 
Nice man! How big is that tank? Do they eat crayfish naturally or were you just experimenting?
 
What else are you feeding your pikes? I have a male johanna that I swear eats nothing BUT crayfish. Completely disinterested in feeders. I am gut-loading the crayfish with massivore and trying to make sure he eats, but it's worrying me a lot. Were yours eating anything other than feeders when you first got them, if you don't mind me asking?

I have a 12 inch Atabapo and an 8 inch Tapajos red. It really must depend on species / individual temperament because my Atabapo will take down anything I put in tank and has since 6 inches. Feeders, worms, krill everything and took only about a week to switch over to pellets. The Tapajos was eating pellets when purchased so not too sure about her.
 
What else are you feeding your pikes? I have a male johanna that I swear eats nothing BUT crayfish. Completely disinterested in feeders. I am gut-loading the crayfish with massivore and trying to make sure he eats, but it's worrying me a lot. Were yours eating anything other than feeders when you first got them, if you don't mind me asking?

My big pike start eating finally smelt and shrimp , beside goldfish


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I have a 12 inch Atabapo and an 8 inch Tapajos red. It really must depend on species / individual temperament because my Atabapo will take down anything I put in tank and has since 6 inches. Feeders, worms, krill everything and took only about a week to switch over to pellets. The Tapajos was eating pellets when purchased so not too sure about her.

Yea my guys will not eat pellets yet , that's cool


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Goldfish are bad for any predatory fish, even if you raised the goldfish yourself. Goldfish have thiaminase which prevent fish from being able to process vitamin B1 leading to thiamine deficiency syndrome.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/thiaminase.htm


Thiamine Deficiency Syndrome and its symptoms

Vitamin B1 (also known as thiamine, thiamine hydrochloride, and in older text books, as aneurine hydrochloride) is an essential nutrient for most animals. It is a colorless and water soluble chemical that helps to convert carbohydrates into glucose. It is particularly important for the correct functioning of the nervous system. A lack of Vitamin B1 is called a Thiamine Deficiency Syndrome.

Symptoms of this syndrome are well known from several commercially important fish groups and can be confirmed using appropriate biochemical tests. Flatfish fed exclusively with thiaminase-rich clams suffer and die from paralysis and related physical shocks. Eels show a trunk-winding syndrome and hemorrhages along the base of the fins (similar symptoms have been reported from moray husbandry, too). Salmonids show nervous disorders, poor appetite, poor growth and jumpiness (again, similar things have observed among a variety of ornamental fish species). Skin congestion and haemorrhage have been reported from carp and other cyprinids. In general then, excessive amounts of thiaminase are connected with symptoms of sickness that include poor growth, loss of appetite, abdominal swelling and hemorrhage, loss of equilibrum, convulsions, muscle atrophy and a weak immune system.
 
Goldfish are bad for any predatory fish, even if you raised the goldfish yourself. Goldfish have thiaminase which prevent fish from being able to process vitamin B1 leading to thiamine deficiency syndrome.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/thiaminase.htm


Thiamine Deficiency Syndrome and its symptoms

Vitamin B1 (also known as thiamine, thiamine hydrochloride, and in older text books, as aneurine hydrochloride) is an essential nutrient for most animals. It is a colorless and water soluble chemical that helps to convert carbohydrates into glucose. It is particularly important for the correct functioning of the nervous system. A lack of Vitamin B1 is called a Thiamine Deficiency Syndrome.

Symptoms of this syndrome are well known from several commercially important fish groups and can be confirmed using appropriate biochemical tests. Flatfish fed exclusively with thiaminase-rich clams suffer and die from paralysis and related physical shocks. Eels show a trunk-winding syndrome and hemorrhages along the base of the fins (similar symptoms have been reported from moray husbandry, too). Salmonids show nervous disorders, poor appetite, poor growth and jumpiness (again, similar things have observed among a variety of ornamental fish species). Skin congestion and haemorrhage have been reported from carp and other cyprinids. In general then, excessive amounts of thiaminase are connected with symptoms of sickness that include poor growth, loss of appetite, abdominal swelling and hemorrhage, loss of equilibrum, convulsions, muscle atrophy and a weak immune system.

Wow thanks for input


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