Mammal Meat question/Idea

[jmf]

Hi People,

Just something I have been thinking about, whilst I usually personally don't agree with giving fish mammal meat, what about kangaroo meat? As far as I know, it contains little to no fat. I have never really studied feeding fish meat but isn't it the content that's the issue?

I live in Australia, so it's easy to get but relatively expensive and wouldn't feed it to my JD but was thinking of people that do feed meats it might be somehow "better". It is available in a lot of countries or so I have been told.

Sorry might be a pointless thread but it has been in the back of my mind for a while

Cheers All

 

[RD.]

I agree, it's a pointless thread. Why feed mammal meat, when fish eating fish, generally eat fish? lol FYI ... kangaroo does indeed contain fat, they are just lower in overall fat compared to say your typical beef cow.



From a previous post of mine on this subject .......

Dr. Peter Burgess MSc, Ph.D.,of the Aquarium Advisory Service in England, is not only an experienced aquarium hobbyist, but also a scientist that specializes in the health & disease in fish. He has written over 300 articles and five books on fish health and is a visiting lecturer in Aquarium Sciences and Conservation at Plymouth University, where he works with the University of Plymouth training students in scientific research. Among his other positions, Dr. Burgess is a senior consultant to the Mars FishCare business and regularly runs fish health & husbandry courses for aquarists, fish scientists and vets. He's also a regular contributor & Fish Health consultant for the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine, as well as other magazines devoted to the fish keeping hobby.

Below is an excerpt from the Practical Fishkeeping Magazine and written by Dr. Burgess, titled;

Liver Damage and Red Meats

The routine of feeding beef heart and other red meats to Cichlids can ultimately give rise to health problems. Poultry meat is also suspect. Red meats, including lean meats such as beef heart, contain the wrong sorts of fats - these harden within the cold-blooded fish, leading to blockages and fatty deposits around the liver.

Also, the relative proportions of amino acids within the mammalian proteins are different to those required by fish. Hence, feeding red meats will cause the cichlid to excrete more nitrogenous (ammonia) wastes, thereby placing an extra burden on the biological filter."

 

[krichardson]

While I am guilty of giving my old armatus a pinky mouse or two I prefer to stay along the lines of what my fish eat in the wild.....except for the processed and manufactured fish foods lol.I have never agreed to using beefheart,chicken or hot dogs and I would not bother with roo meat lol.

 

[jmf]

I agree, it's a pointless thread. Why feed mammal meat, when fish eating fish, generally eat fish? lol FYI ... kangaroo does indeed contain fat, they are just lower in overall fat compared to say your typical beef cow.

I totally agree, it was just something I had been thinking about for those that for some reason still feed mammal meat

 

[RD.]

I'm guessing for the vast majority of those people, especially those not living in AU, roo meat would be too cost prohibitive.

 

[duanes]

And JDs are not really piscivores (carnivores), most of their diet is omnivores, and they eat detritus, algae, and insects in nature.
Although they occasionally do eat the live bearers that surround them, I have watched them miss 9 out 10 strikes in the Cenotes. And most of the mollies are too big, so fry are the easiest and most suitable taken (small packages compared to what might be given in an aquarium setting).

video of JDs in habitat below, note amount of the space.
Cristalino

 

[JakeAlmighty]

We do use kangaroo meat in dog diets sometimes, mainly when you come across a dog that is allergic or reacting to all or close to all of the main meats we use. (chicken very common allergy, but once in a blue moon you meet a dog who is allergic to chicken, beef, pork, duck, turkey, lamb, several different fishes, etc.... this is when we turn to kangaroo.)


For feeding a fish though I just can't see it being biologically appropriate. Personally would definitely stay away from such a practice. (you're right in saying it is quite lean meat though afaik, lot of muscle on them roos)

 

[RD.]

I'm aware that it's used in dog food, but dogs aren't fish, and unlike many modern day domesticated dogs the vast majority of tropical fish are not hyper sensitive towards different forms of aquatic based protein. (fish, shellfish, etc) It just doesn't make any sense feeding mammal meat. If one wants to feed fresh/frozen/live tissue, fish/shrimp/krill flesh is always the best bet.

 

[krichardson]

Biologically appropriate....that's a good term.

 

[RD.]

Biologically appropriate....that's a good term.

Originated in the dog/cat food circles many years ago. Most of the more premium brands use it to market their goods these days.