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I see. Thanks for helping me id them. Anyway the batf looking fish has a mouth and caudal fin of a batf and white tips of a bigeye. Maybe its a hybrid! JokeCan't use the orange color to ID an atf. That dead fish is a regular old vatf, the scale counts have it. Stout vatf is used to explain a fish that is otherwise clearly a varf and which arrives with vatf shipments, but has a scale count that is wrong.
As to the white tips, look at the pelvic a d anal fins of the batf looking fish. Notice how they've got a distinct white tip? All ATF can have this when young, but big eye tend to have it in the most extreme manner. These white deals are what become hooks/streamers.