mixed answers about water change schedule????

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the guy at my lfs told me small water changes often is the best way to go, I hear a lot that you have to do 50-75 if u really want to get nitrates under control. my fish poop like crazy I have 6 growing cichlids in my 125 some fish aren't even half grown yet such as my 5 inch jag, I really want wats best for the fishes growth . also I did a 50 percent wc like 2 days ago can I do big water changes frequently or is that a no no? how frequently wud be the most efficient for growth and health of the fish? also don't start yapping about the biological filter is gonna get wiped out from big water changes cuz its not gonna happen I have 2 fluval 406 filters.
 
If you don't treat the water you exchange, then you'll have problems with your bio filter...

For cichlids in question, they don't mind 50-75 percent wc, as long as you take care to manage the temperature(this is mainly an issue in winter).




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I do 50%+ changes every week and have for decades.... But, my nitrates are never that high.

As long as the new water is treated, your bio filter will be fine. The concern is, if you have super high nitrates and do large changes the water chemistry changes quite a bit and change can stress fish.... Even if its for the better.

Consistency is what we strive for so you may find more often smaller changes suits your situation.


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I'm with Matt, I do 30% water changes every other day.
Think about riverine cichlids, and that many rivers flow millions of gallons per minute, some per second.
I live next to Lake Michigan, and when I worked for the water facility, part of my job was to test the chemical parameters of its raw water, nitrates averaged less than 1.00 mg/L AKA < 1ppm.
Large water changes with the kind of fish you're keeping are a key to their health. More is better...

Matt
 
I'm with Matt, I do 30% water changes every other day.
Think about riverine cichlids, and that many rivers flow millions of gallons per minute, some per second.
I live next to Lake Michigan, and when I worked for the water facility, part of my job was to test the chemical parameters of its raw water, nitrates averaged less than 1.00 mg/L AKA < 1ppm.

that's a lot to live up too ,dam lol how are the water parameters for the place wer jaguar cichlids come from?
 
I do about 75% twice a week for 4 cichla and 3 geos in my 50g growout. My nitrates are still about 40ppm every time. To afraid to see what I have been drinking haha!


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I don't find large water changes to be a problem. One of my tanks routinely gets a 50-70% weekly water change and just this past couple of weeks, due to remodeling, moving tanks around, etc. just about all my tanks have gotten two or three 80% water changes within just a day or two. Filtration and fish didn't skip a beat; in fact, they look great since as long as I was going that far I also rinsed just about all my filter media at the same time (non-chlorinated water). I won't speculate or try to explain why some people have issues with large water changes. And, in fact, every so often I like to do successive water changes within just a couple of days that replace most, all, or even more of a tank's total water volume as a sort of refresh/tonic for the tank.

But you'll always get different answers on this. So it's is a subject where you should do what works best for you. There's just way too many variables involved for there to be a one size fits all formula, including: size of tank, number of fish, size of fish, species of fish, age of fish, type of substrate, depth of substrate, type and volume of filtration, type of media, how often you clean (or replace) your media, plants, no plants, number of plants, species of plants, areas (like driftwood) for bio-film to grow, whether you even allow algae or other bio-film in your tank or keep it spotless (whether using plecos, etc.), what you feed, how much, how often, water temperature, pH, dissolved oxygen in your tank, even whether you run UV or not (in combo with filtration and other factors, can affect redox and, therefore, breakdown of wastes)... quality and chemistry of your replacement water.

I don't even treat my each of my own tanks the same, because even with the same water and basically the same food for all my tanks, different setups are different in some of the other factors, though someone else might prefer to do the same % water change across the board on every tank-- but I do or have done anything ranging from 30% weekly, 70% weekly, 10% weekly, 50% monthly, and 60-70% bi-weekly on different tanks. I've slowed down some the past couple of years, but over the years I've spawned and raised thousands of fry, raised I couldn't tell you how many species, and have had stretches of five years or more without a sick fish, so I must be doing something right, not that this hobby won't throw anyone a curve, no matter how expert. But there are a lot of very skilled and knowledgeable hobbyists around, some of them way ahead of me, so I'm not trying to brag-- just making the point that there's too many variables to make a one size fits all recommendation.

Finally, from a post of mine on another forum:
I've read different and contradictory theories on water changes and nitrates, including one that created the impression that nitrates basically increase infinitely, despite water changes. His theory was that each water change reduced nitrates by a percentage, lets say 50% with a 50% water change, but since your fish are always producing a fixed total of nitrates the effect is something like this: fish produce 10 nitrates (just a theoretical number for the total they are producing) and you do a 50% water change, which leaves 5 nitrates. During the following week they produce 10 nitrates-- total in your tank is now 15 nitrates because of the 5 left over from the previous water change-- so now change 50% of your water and you have 7.5 nitrates. The following week your fish produce 10 nitrates, making your total 17 nitrates. Change 50% of your water and you now have 8.5 nitrates, etc.

The article left the impression this increase goes on indefinitely. Nonsense. If that were true nearly all tanks would have astronomical nitrates, except for the few who are constantly changing all or most of their water. And the fact is my tanks are low, for example my Kapampa tank normally reads about 5, with typically 30-40% weekly water changes. Given sufficient water replacement, at some point you should reach an equilibrium between the nitrates you remove each week with water changes and the net your tank is creating each week-- this assumes nitrates out of your tap are zero or very low. Of course, if your tank produces a lot of nitrates and water changes are very low, nitrates can get very high, but infinitely high?

Sorry for the long post, hope it's helpful...
 
naa dude no prob its very helpful. im a big aggravated cuz I feel like my fish growth is bottoming out, my jag,dempsey,mayan are all at around 5- 6 inches respectively and I feel as though its been this way for a month or two, they grew very rapidly now its much slower. I wish I cud snap my fingers and they all be monsters overnight. I always dream of owning a MONSTER jag/mayan/Dempsey but its taking soo long :(( lol persistence I have tho
 
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