Monster steel frame polycarbonate tank

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soggydrysuit3

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Hi All!

I've been away thinking about me trop pond construction (and working, looking after wife, 3 kids, 2 dogs, 10 tanks and cold pond)!

Rough internal size i'm thinking of is six by four feet, minimum. Maybe seven by five and thirty inches deep. It's better than anything I can buy.

Building construction is a concrete floored garage or one end of it. In case of tank burst, water won't get into the house proper. Temp range is about 35F to 75F here.

I plan to cover the tank and pump air through the tank to outside with fail - open vents in case of power failure.

I plan to construct a small room around the tank for vapour containment and insulation. This can be done with a timber frame partition across the garage containing vapur barrier and two thicknesses of foam cavity wall insulation. Same for walls and roof. For the floor I was thinking of thermal boards designed for use with underfloor heating. Vapour barrier crosslinked PE under this will take some compressive load.

Will need some air coming into the room!

I plan to space heat to 65 - 70F, then take the tank the rest of the way to 75F

For under the tank, I plan on three to six inches of PE or PU sheet. This should take the weight and if it does flow, should do so evenly.

For the tank itself, I was thnking of a substantial steel frame with polymer panels bolted to this via a gasket using a sealant.

Now, I would appreciate any comments on this!

Two things about this jump out. I do not need to use a six foot run of polymer, I can use two foot wide sections and bolt them to steel uprights the same as at each corner of the tank. The other is that i do not need to use transparent materials for the base and sides, just the front panels and the 'lid'.

I was planning on at least 12mm polycarbonate throughout, maybe a double thickness.

Any ideas on gasket or sealer will be appreciated. I am aware that silicone does not bond well to polycarbonate. I think a solvent is used to allow two areas of polycarb to flow into each other. Obviously, I am using three different materials plus bolts here...

I plan to put the filters and heaters at one end. Enough for a settlement chamber, massive ammounts of foam and ceramic media and ending in a trickle tower (insulated).

I will have to come up with something again for water changes, possibly turn it into a seat! Low level rectangle shape.

I can pump water in and to waste easily as there is a drain just outside and I only need temporary connections for this.

Have several large building fans and a 1/4 hp electric motor lying around if needed.

Thinking of a 3kW electric heating element in the settlement chamber for heat. Thermostats are no prob. Will double up.

Power can be fed in through feedthroughs and I plan to use weather proof fittings and power enclosures throughout.

What do you think?!

Constructive critisism is encoureged!!!

Best Regards,

Soggy
 
Sounds good...Where you getting your poly and what you paying?
 
Hi there,

About £35 for 1.5m by 0.5m is the best I can find but only 5mm.

So,

thinking of a co called 'Bay Plastics' in Tyne and Wear. If i'm only ofter approx 2 by 2 foot panels they might be able to go deeper in the press than the usual 5 -6mm, if it's left long enough. It's usually extruded pellets put under about 200 tons of force in a mould heated to 180 deg C or so. I've only done 12 ins sq in the dim and distant past in a research lab for this material. Those compression moulds are flipping heavy!

Or I can try to sandwich a few 5mm together. Not easy!

If I have to weld most of the metal parts of the frame together then so be it...!

Best Regards,

Soggy

BTW I was so fed up for lack of diving conditions here I jumped in my blanket weed infested koi pond in drysuit, with snorkel and mask. Have a new Sterlet and I'm **ggered if it's going to get caught up in the stuff. Whole new perspective on things: if algicides do not appear to work then mechanical removal does...!

Yes, I am married. That was such a sad dive!!!

Best
 
I was thinking about doing a tank like that after the dutch guy posted his awesome PTFE tank, but couldnt find anywhere cheap for the plastics.... One day I want a trop pond big enough to go snorkelling in!
 
I'm not sure about one of the mechanical props of most acrylics. In a flex test, they break at 4% extension, so if anything bows despite the stiffness of the material, it will crack. Also might crack around the bolts .

PC is better in this one respect.

Best Regards,

Soggy
 
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