My Automatic Water Change System

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Dan F

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I finally got tired of having to change the water, although it wasn't that hard to begin with - http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228620

I thought about a drip system, but it would have to drain into my sump pump ( float-operated pump in a hole in the ground) which is quite noisy. I don't mind hearing it when I am cleaning the tank and making major water changes, but I would hate for it to be coming on at odd hours of the night...

My sump already had a float valve, although I hadn't hooked it up since we moved 7 years ago. The first thing I did was add an angle-stop to a 1/2" PEX line gong to a hose bib.

After that hooking up the float valve was pretty easy. I ran a 3/8" PEX line from the angle-stop to a needle valve followed by a 3/8" x 1/4" reducer and a piece of 1/4" poly line to the float. I live on well water so no filtration is necessary.

To remove wastewater I used an 802 powerhead and some 1/2" ID vinyl tubing. I attached this to a 1/2" barbed adapter threaded into a 3" ABS waste line. The powerhead moves almost exactly 2GPM at the 1' head height it needs to pump.

Right now the timer is set for ten minutes on every six hours. This works out to 80 GPD, or about a 30% daily water change. I may cut it back after a while.

The needle valve is set so that the water just gurgles out of the float valve (it sprays out pretty good at wide open). I'll have to watch it to try and estimate how long it takes to replace the 20 gallons emptied out with each 10 minute pumping. I'm thinking an hour or so, but it could be more - I'll have to watch it to be sure it's not filling so slowly that it can't keep up, but I really doubt it is.

A few nice things about this kind of water change:

*You don't need to rely on a gravity overflow, you can pump your wastewater wherever you want.

*It is very easy to adjust the GPD. With this pump I could vary between 2 GPD and 1440 GPD in two-gallon increments. Changing the amount is as simple as pushing a couple buttons.

*It would even work with undrilled tanks - you can buy float valves that clamp to the side of a tank.

You do need an air gap or vacuum breaker to prevent siphoning if the wastewater is going to be ejected somewhere lower than the surface of he sump.

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Looks good! How far does the powerhead have to push the water?
 
salteedogg;3908614; said:

Thanks, I get all my inspiration from this one fish website... :headbang2

Pharaoh;3908819; said:
Looks good! How far does the powerhead have to push the water?

Thanks! It is around 8' of tubing with around 10-12" of head. Of course, if it was much higher I would need to use a more substantial pump.

The nice thing is, I had the old powerhead just laying around on a shelf. Come to think of it, I had everything in my garage - I didn't have to go to the harware store at all for once! :grinno:
 
Well, I've run into my first snag - the heater won't keep up.

I fully expected this, as I only have a single 150W heater for over 250 gallons of tank (135G) and sump (about 125G). It is an old Thermal Preset brand heater that is controlled by a Medusa Temperature Controller. The Medusa screams at you if the temp goes too high or low (a feature I love) so I heard it when the tank dropped to 75 in the middle of the night. I have it set up so I can add hot or cold water as needed, so I just ran 20 or so gallons of hot into the sump and went back to bed.

This morning I'm going to add a 200W Ebo-Jager heater along with the 150W.

I may also change the timing to spread out the water change more. Right now I am pumping 4x daily for 10 minutes (80 GPD). The timer has six on/off settings, so I may set it to pump 6x daily for 7 minutes (84 GPD).

The last thing I am going to do is adjust the needle valve to slow the inflow a bit.

We'll see, hopefully I will have this thing dialed in by tonight.
 
I changed the timing to six minutes every four hours (72 GPD) and upped the heat from 100W (I thought it was a 150...) to 300W. So far everything looks good. :D

Anyone have opinions on what the optimum percentage of daily water change would be?

I realize that I could certainly do some experimentation increasing the amounts and testing nitrates - they were around 30-40 before my daily water changes, I'll check again in a few days - but I m curious what people think. :popcorn:
 
It kept temperature through the night, which is good. The tank gets most of its heat from the lighting - 320W of VHO under a full hood - so if it is going to get cold it will be at night when the lights are out.

This system is really working out well, I think it has a lot of advantages over the typical drip-system. :D
 
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