My dream tank. Criticism? Suggestions? Am I crazy? :)

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Ok, we all have dream tanks, yes? Well, I want y'all to criticize mine. Before I go into that, know what answers I'm looking for. I know *nothing* about water chemistry, so I'd like to know if its rediculously hard to filter, unsafe, etc. I'm no expert on compatability either, and I'd like to know a suggested tank size. Any other suggestions or criticisms are welcome! I'm a beginner in fish, bear with me. I'm a reptile keeper, so I probably reflect that into how I look at fish... Anyway, this is all hyptothetical. When I am able to get a tank of this magnitude, I'll be in my 30s-40s, and hopefully with much more experience (and money! lol). Maybe by then some spectacular new breakthrough in fishkeeping will emerge and this will change, but whatever. Let's just assume I'd have the money for this. Its hyptothetical and 20 years into the future, so relax. :) Alright, heres the stock list:

- I'd like an epaulette or coral catshark. Just one, but I'm not sure which. Are coral cats rare/expensive? Any particulars of either I should know different than other sharks? Also, are the Freycinets (sp) or silky epaulettes avaliable at all?

- Okay, this is probably the most rediculous and hard to keep. *drum roll* A blue-spotted stingray! Oh, twas beauty that killed the beast! WHY are these things so magnificent but so difficult? Is there some kind of trick to it, or is it dumb luck? I know one aquarium bred them, maybe theyll be in good CB supply by the 2030's lol! Are there any just as pretty, but less difficult alteritives?

- A dragon eel. Preferably a Japanese, but maybe a Hawaiian. Are these any more difficult than say, a snowflake? Are they mega aggresive, or are the looks deceiving? Do they get typical aquarium-trade moray size, like 3-4 feet? If I couldn't do these, a zebra would be my preffered alternitive. I'm wondering if a dragon would bother any other monster fish in the tank.

- Last of my 'essentials', a lionfish. I was thinking a red volitans or a radiata. Is either more difficult or larger than the other? These are pretty peaceful towards other big fish right? This is the one I'm least worried about in terms of compatibility. Would that be a safe assumption?

- Okay, now these fish I could live without, but I'd love one or both. How about a puffer? Porcupine, golden, dogface? I'm not sure about these. Will they damage coral and sessile inverts like anemones, urchins, coral, or sponges? Would triggers be any more difficult. I was of course thinking about a clown, or possibly a humu.

- The big issue: A mantis shrimp. Would these be able to live with ANY of the monsters? Would they be a snack, even with the clubs? Or can they hurt the others? Can they damage coral and sessile inverts? This one isn't a problem if its too unrealistic, it can simply be put in a 20 gal. By the way, I was going for a large peacock mantis, a clubber.

- Ok, sessile inverts and some others. I'm not sure of coral, are there any more or less sensitive to big fish? Will the shark, ray, eel, lion, or others bother these? I was worried about puffers and triggers, they look like they could do damage, but I wasnt sure. I had these in mind, although the mantis worries me about some: Electric flame scallop, crocea clam, red knob starfish, black (or banded) long-spined urchin, tree sponge, feather duster, bulb anemone, carpet anemone, and possibly a cucumber or nudibranch. What about plants too? In terms of coral, I was thinking some sort of bubble coral (can a lionfish puncture it?) in particular. I was wondering if soft and hard corals and sea fans would be affected by the fish in any way. Let me know if any of these inverts will harm each other too! Assume I have plenty of live rock. I'd need some for the eel and possible mantis anyway.

Lol, I'm sure that sounds crazy and way to lofty, but I'm not :screwy: !

Please respond! My last thread similar to this didn't get much response. But that wasn't the greatest of my threads anyway, I wasn't to clear on it. Thanks all! :drool:

But wow, my expectations might need a little lowering, huh? lol
 
It always feels good to dream. Get back to us in 20 years and be sure to include pics. :D
 
Haha! If only, if only! Yeah, dreaming is nice. That komodo dragon will come someday... lmao

Have a good 'un!
 
RESPOND PLEASE? Is the question THAT stupid? lol?...
 
Not sure on how well the inverts will survive... compatibility wise, don't see much of a problem, but i'm no saltie. Would be tempted to drop the blue spotted though and maybe go with the yellow stingray. Hopefully someone with better experiance can help you though.
 
Yeah I was thinking the same of the ray. But maybe 10-20 years in the future there will be some major advances in fishkeeping to keep one easily. And cheaper! :D
 
PLEASE reply someone!!! This is my second thread on this and I improved it. I'm really looking for answers! These are the only monsters I ever plan to keep and I don't want to mess it up or forget about this site 20 years from now! D:
 
Ok, here ya go...1st, how will you feel when your clumsy $1000 Eel or $200 Stingray or $300 swim over the back of the Lionfish and get stung?

So I'd say with big and clumbsy, stinging should not be included.

Next, sharks get 3' and eat both rays and eels. Nuff Said.

I have also seen LARGE Volitans torn almost in half by Large fish eatting eels and returned to my LFS to try to heal.

Mantis shrimp will/may kill large fish but CAN bust through tank glass. Worth the risk?

You will be able to do some but you probably couldn't keep them all in 1 tank.

I'd say a shark tank with the Eel ONLY if you have a HUGE tank and one corner full of rocks for the eel to live in and the rest of the tank open for swimming clumbsy sharks.

Or Lion & Eel MAYBE, but eel could get stung or Eel could try to eat Lion.
 
Again, I'm a newbie to fish. Don't go off on me (not that you are). Gah, I'm not going to say it again, read the first post.

Anyway, I've seen sharks kept with rays all the time with no ill effects. An eppie or coral cat would REALLY eat a 2 foot stingray? That sounds rather... fishy (haha).

The questions not if a mantis CAN kill a large fish. Its WILL they? They seem rather reculsive given a deep dark burrow and plenty of room. Unless I picked an animal that would bug them, it seems to me they would keep well away. And sure they CAN bust through glass, most people know that. Say I used acrylic.

If I switched a dragon eel with a zebra, would you still feel the same? I thought the fish eaters like dragons were awfully aggresive, but I wanted to confirm. Everyone I've talked to says zebras keep to themselves and don't bother other fsh given space. They eat mostly crusteceans right? Still, I'd rather lose a $100 dollar eel than a $1000 one.

Would a lion injure anyone purposely? I realize the potential for accidents, but eppies and rays *generally* stay on the bottom, right? Would a lion intentionally go after any of these fish or a mantis? Same question goes for the zebra eel.

Last question for now: What about the sessile inverts?!?!?!

Consider my puffer and trigger question null. I've done a little reading and I decided to leave it completely out of the equation.

For the situation, assume the tank IS the right size for it. This is purely a compatability question.

Oh, you live in Baltimore! Wer'e pretty close. Have you ever been to the National Aquarium in DC? I've been wanting to go there for a while. And have you seen the new Aussie exhibit at the Baltimore Aquarium?

Thanks!
 
your inverts would be gonners with a mantis shrimp. forget having any other shrimp species and hermits, it will destroy them. Sounds like a cool tank 1k minimum gallon wise and you would need a badass skimmer as sharks, rays, and eels are messy eaters. No crushed coral only soft sand for both the shark and the eel. Live rock would be a must as well as coral sharks and eels love to hide in them. That means you would have to make an island to permit the eel to swim around the island. The tank would have to be visible from all four sides and that means a center overflow would have to be custom made. SW rocks !
 
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