My Kamfa's Bred

[Shoujin]

First off thanks to everybody here for lending their valuable suggestions.

I thank BIG_ONE especially for his patience in answering my queries accurately.

My male kamfa 2 months ago when i got him at 5.5"

My Kamfa now

My female pearly kamfa when i got it 20 days ago at 3.5"

My female kamfa today

The pair

The eggs

Apart from this . . . I have 2 question

What the heck happened to the kok of the male its begun to shrink

How long since the eggs hatch ?

Its been about 3 hours since the female laid the eggs and the male is doing his job fertilizing it.

Any suggestions are welcome

Thanks for viewing my thread

Will add hi res pix tom

 

[BIG_ONE]

When they breed, the kok of the male will shrink. But it will gain back after a few days or weeks. Don't worry about it too much.

 

[luohanfan]

The eggs take 2 to 4 days to hatch..
Also, these are not kamfa (dont want to offend anyone )
But your male is a ZZMalau by the looks, and the female also has mostly ZZ traits..
Very nice fish though, thankyou for sharing..

 

[BIG_ONE]

Certain breeders I've known have actually used ZZMalau in their fish to create their Kamfa believe it or not. But if you really want to say it, every FH out there has parts of ZZ in them.

 

[luohanfan]

I agree with you, ZZ have been used to cross with most other strains now..
In judging what strain a FH is you have to weigh up which traits the Fh has most of..
If it has mostly ZZ traits, you call it a ZZ, if it has mostly Kamfa traits, you call it a ZZ..
Things get harder with Kamfamalau, and strains such as Tanking, as even though Tanking is classed as kamfa, it has a lot of traits that are visually like ZZ and Malau..

 

[luohanfan]

p.s, the only way to truly know is to know the parentage, the problem here is also noone knows exactly what fish went into making there FH from the start..
Thats why we judge by visual attributes..

 

[BIG_ONE]

Tan King don't even exist anymore, and if they do then it would be awfully pricey for a true Tan King. And yes Tan King as basically Kamfa, but they are the Vietnam version of Kamfa. Much like all the other version of Malau and ZZ etc.
As far as knowing exactly what fish it is, yes it is like what you said. From an eye view without knowing its history. You can only identify by what traits it is showing. And that can be anything for that matter of fact with most modern FH now a days. It's not like the older generation FH where you certainly sure of which is which. Now a days FH are being crossbred all over one another. So maybe you can cross it with like a Kamfa x Malau and for some reason ZZ traits inside of the fish genes seems to pop out on the view. Therefore calling it a ZZ with Kamfa and Malau traits showing also. This is a difficult task because sometimes Kamfa and Malau gets confused with. One thing that you should also keep in mind here, the color of the redness has nothing to do with being a ZZ. Malau or should I say true Malau, indeed have a blood red color that is deeper than ZZ itself. But overall without knowing its exact history, every FH keeper can only learn from it's eye view and call it base on what it is. Or just simply go by what the overseas breeder sell it it you as what it is they tell you.

 

[scriving]

for the kamfa to be fertile it most likely has alot of Zen Zhu in it

 

[BIG_ONE]

for the kamfa to be fertile it most likely has alot of Zen Zhu in it

That's why I said that every FH you see out there basically have at least partial ZZ in them. Breeding a Kamfa with another Kamfa needs fertility. And the best success with that is crossing with a fish that is high in fertility(ZZ is a good one here) and then cross it back with multiple generations of Kamfa. So in the mean time, it is fertile but contains most of the Kamfa trait showing. Creating a Kamfa all over again is just a pain in the butt so I would most likely doubt that any breeder want to do that. And we can't even just say that because certain Kamfa isn't fertile means they are true Kamfa. The reason why I said this because why would 2 different batch of Kamfa but basically the same parent in the make up here. The first batch is not fertile but the second batch is fertile. This puts into conclusion that just because your Kamfa is not fertile doesn't mean it is a true Kamfa compared to all other Kamfa out there. It's genetic make up just came out that way only. So people who say that a Kamfa that is fertile is not true Kamfa is not quite accurate on this point here. By all means, a Kamfa is a Kamfa. There is no meaning of it being true Kamfa or not. It's not the same as the original GM, IndoZZ, Tan King and so on. Those 3 I listed were stopped being bred by the breeders for a while and everything was sold out. But breeders try to create something similar but the recipe just quite isn't right. So therefore, there isn't really anything that you can base it out on whether it is a true Kamfa or what not. We just call it as what we see and what the breeder tell you IMO.

 

[BIG_ONE]

And something else that I wanted to pin point out to you that I learned a few months back. If you hear or see of someone that claims they are breeding true GM. Just look at them and give them a smile or a laugh because true GM seems impossible to be found now a days. Even the breeders itself have a hard time just trying to get true GM. And the breeders are usually the one with the most access to the rarest flowerhorn out there.