I don't really know , he seemed to just be slowing down , I had switched his food from Omega one to hikari gold to try to get his color to come around but I don't think that had much to do with it , just old I guess he was about 8 years old. I wish i had taken a pic with a measuring tape , I'm guessing he was about 141/2 to 15 "
' at least,maybe bigger ,I hate it when someone post's a pic of a 6" fish and goes my 12" bad boy, anyway thanks