My MacGyver Ghetto Sump Setup work in progress

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Ingredients
112usg tank(5'x1.5'x2)(60$) top of tank from floor is about 4'
1000gph pond pump this pump has a flow regulator but im leaving it maxed(can use 3/4" or 1" hose inside diameter), i bought the 1" non kink black hose that comes with it.(120$)
2 overflows TOF and AOF 1-1/2" ABS piping.(40$, spent a bit more with some excessive parts for future consideration for siphoning/waterchanges as well as re-shaping OFs for different positioning{eg. union valves for swivelling}. i havent sealed everything yet, just certain parts leaving some things open fir consideration*******)
20g rubbermaid(cheap one from Canadian Tire, 7$ i dont remember) 16" high
5 gallon round bucket(it was lying around)
dollar store pastas strainer, about 12packs of plastic scrubbies(6 pre pack) so far (15$)
eave gutter protetion mesh for OFS to stop fish from aqua-sliding (3-4$)
return is a few parts for a 1" hose (make a "U" and youu can experiment with making a spray bar or just use elbow(s) and/or tees, im not there yet)(6-8$)
filter floss i had already
4L empty plastic water container already had was used inside the rubbermaid. cut out a side and a hole ontop for pump return, kept cap off, used to seperate/stop scrubbies from affecting intake of pump)
Im not tech savy or DIY savy or a handyman either, so no pics or diagrams for now. I did some research but didnt find or understand everything in time. i was cautious (no mishaps) and i dont like wasting money on something ill fail at. my biggest problem is overthinking/also in circles so lots of times it takes me a long time to do things
perhaps this isnt news, but since ive just made and tinkered with both overflow styles, here is what ive learned so far and still experimenting. mentioned in overflow(OF) was the top OF design(skims the top TOF) and Alternate OF design(takes from the bottom ill abbr it AOF). i decided to use both, since they said its best to have 2 OFs incase one clogs, so i chose to do 1 of each OF.

Things I learned
#1 the AOF is a horrizontal flow rate thing they said where a TOF is vertical flow rate(gravity), so it actually doesnt OF as well as the TOF, found that out after with a bit more research. so if you do both or just one, when you set the water level for the AOF while running it should be the top of the pipe size you are using at the Top U height/pipe thickness, and not the bottom(if you use the bottom, the water lvl when running will be higher.
#2 i did not need a check valve, priming is relatively easy for the TOF (submerge and tilt to get all air out then upright your TOF lift straight up and put in place), the AOF you do the same thing but you have to cap the pipe that remains in the tank, upright it and place into place then remove cap.
#3 i prefer to have the AOF handling more water than the TOF so I have the TOF water lvl height tube higher than the AOF top of "U" for the water lvl while running.
#4 you will have to calculate the gallons that will drain into your sump if power goes out. what i researched was 1" X L" X W"/231. this is just a guideline. i guess it depends on a few things, pump strength diameter size of OF pipe and type of OF. with AOF its diameter of piping in inches X L X W/231 . basically larger diameter>1" will be more.
#5 I figured a way to make the AOF flow faster but i personally havent completely tested with it, ive only experimented. i havent capped any of the air intake pipe, but ive experimented with the AOF and the top of the tee(i dont have additional piping). i capped (not permanent just placed it there) the 1-1/2" AOF "T" segment with a 1-1/2" to 1/2" threaded female - inserting a male male threaded nipple then a 1/2" ball valve. closing this partially can control your flow rate of the AOF.. increasing flow as the valve closes. if you close the valve too much you will have to watch out for the AOF turning into a siphon or depending on your water lvl(should it be higher than the T) may come out from the valve. personally with my "system" doing this causes too much flow(and the TOF doesnt get used) so i leave the valve open. two valves i intended to convert my AOF into a sipon for draining.
#6 i tried to learn as much as possible before starting, to get enough "knowledge". hopefully these pointers will help someone. in regards to OF piping, i didnt seal anything for testing, i just pieced it together ran the pump. later i sealed the parts needed to hold the siphon, since i didnt quite totally figure out the sump. there are 2 parts to the OF's piping that u can put unions on so you can position the OFs to either be flush against the tank or further away incase you have a lip on your stand.
#7 fit and measure pipes several times. test run everthing , change one thing at a time and be ready to shut off pump. there are ways to fix mistakes.
 
since my reseal failed, i have time to try and fix the mistakes i ran into and come up with new ideas

the pasta strainer(with a handle) gave into water flow/gravity and ended up not being structurally strong enough to balance on top of the bucket. i can either support it underneath or scrap that idea.
Ive been playing with ideas for excess eave protection guard, either create a circular filter or a flat rectangular one and place filter wool in between the ply/meshing (zip ties for the circular one). might try to create a window screen mesh frame (two of them sandwiching the floss) and have the option to slip the two frames between U shape brace for easier changing of floss.

i think my post is too confusing lol i shouldve made up a draft or figure out how to upload pics, more to come
 
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