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I got it from a fish hatchery here in ohio, can get them at about 10 inches in the fall, took me forever to find someone who would actually ship them to my residential address. I picked up some northern pike from a hatchery in Pennsylvania earlier in the year, basically the same story. Hoping to eventually find someone to ship me a couple of tiger muskie to make the tank complete. I've had the muskie about a month, and they aren't hunting great, or that interesting in the tank yet, still pretty nervous, but getting better all the time. The northern's are awesome!! Probably were my favorite natives I've ever had.