Thanks Everyone, he/she is close to 4 inches long at this time, doing very well, eating everything and seems to be very happy in this environement, thanks for the comment on the Livingstoniis they are my pride and joy i have a male and female had them almost a year now, one of my fav's i dont think my tank is big enough for the female to feel comfortable with spawning yet, at the end of the year i plan to get a bigger tank maybe ill have some success then, thanks to all for your comments.