My Overflow Delimma

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I've been reading some recent threads on overflows and some considerations on the right one, which lead me to think of my own recent situation and what I eventually did to correct it. I included some snapshots to help give you an idea, (albeit not the greatest shots)

Background: I have a peninsula style tank so I have an internal overflow at one end of the tank and holes drilled, etc. by the tank builder. The overall wall is roughly 30" (w) x 28" (h) with teeth at the top for overflow and skimming. With this design, my tank water level is essentially determined by the teeth height (which in turn determines how the rate that water could overflow) and the return rate of my pump. Furthering my challenge was 6” (w) x 28’ (h) of overflow was sectioned off to create a dry chamber so that I can run wiring through a PVC pipe. So my functional overflow size is actually 24” (w) x 28” (h), to be more accurate.


Problem: When my DC return pump was turned up to the level that I wanted for sufficient turnover and flow, the overflow Could not keep up. Well, it actually kept up in terms of the flow, however the water would rise to a point where it would touch the euro brace in random spots. Besides being visually unappealing (IMO), the overflow just wasn’t working as I had wanted. At this point, it was over year since my tank was running – and installing a new overflow wall not an option.

Options:
1) Cut some teeth and allow for more water flow – although some like no teeth for skimming, I didn’t like this approach and wouldn’t be satisfied with appearance.

2) Create jig and try to lower the overflow teeth across the wall – best option…if the wall was out of the tank…LOL…I wouldn’t be happy with the results

3) Create jig and drill ½” holes under the teeth across the wall – went with this approach. I’d be happy with the function and would look cleaner.

Covering everywhere in case acrylic went flying into the tank and fish eating..

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Created a jig/template out of wood and drilled 10 holes total. 5 between the locline, and 5 more on the right side of the lockline on the right (can't see the other 5 holes in this picture). To the left of the left locline is sectioned off and no water is overflowing - although it may look like it in this picture.

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Inside the overflow after holes drilled. I can turn up my DC pump to my desired level with room to spare. I still get slight surface skimming through the teeth, and the additional holes allow for more water "overflow" so that the water isn't htting the eurobrace on the tank. BTW, you can see the dry chamber in this picture to the right.

Sorry for the long post...just wanted to share what has been top of mind tank wise.

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Nice job. cleanly done. I guess your sump can handle the extra water that will overflow once the tank drains as low as those holes?

What are those two capped pipes toward the left? Are those unused drains?
 
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A friend of mine had a similar problem, where the overflow wall was top to bottom, height of the tank. He was able to drill small holes at different elevations in the overflow wall and after enough were drilled, flow reached equilibrium. He also found with this approach, a laminar flow was achieved throughout the entire height of the tank, and small particulate near the substrate was picked up in the flow, and taken to the sump.
 
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D Danh - Good question. In my attempt to keep things brief I left that out. Correct, a big concern was drilling holes that were lower AND ensuring the sump could handle when return pump is off. Fortunately, my sump was able to handle the additional water.

duanes duanes - Yup, that sounds like exactly my situation - top to bottom and basically side to side of the tank. How was he able to drill holes at different levels and accommodate for overflow when pump is off/power outage?
 
Though the drill holes in the overflow plate were top to bottom, the tank overflow hole to the sump on the outer wall, was near the tank top, so once the water drained to that top hole, flow stopped. The beauty of a drilled tank is the lack of continuous siphon once flow is stopped.
That is my biggest beef with siphon overflows, when you don't want them to stop, they do.
And when you need them to stop, sometimes they don't.
A drilled tank always offers a certain extra edge of security from floods (not 100%) but close. That dead fish, or pile up of plants, can easily ruin your day, even in a drilled tank, if all the factors are just right (wrong).

There's an overflow pipe under all that plant debris above, a few more minutes unseen, and there would have been a flood.
 
Thx for pisting DN328 DN328

How did you know the amount of holes needed ? Too much.....too little.... meh just shoot first ask questions later lol
 
Thanks Duane - In my case the holes you see are "as low as I can go". Else, I'd need a larger sump. The positive with more holes that I've drilled is it gives me a higher chance of not getting blocked (and big stuff wouldn't go through the teeth or holes).

D Danh , forgot to answer; In the last picture of overflow - The shortest drain with the black strainer is my primary drain (full siphon). The one to the left near the center is my trickle. The third is my dry stand-by (no water coming through). The second and third look capped off, but it's actually just a slip connector I added just for the finished look...LOL. They are definitely open in case the first drain needs help.
 
J Jaws ...I wish that I could say I knew 100% - but it really wasn't the case. I started with 5 holes in the center, then ran the tank for a few weeks. I decided that it could handle 5 more, and basically that was really the maximum that I would want to drill - did NOT want bigger holes or to lower the holes. I knew that I wanted to run my DC pump more than it was currently set - 3 of 6 bars (there's halves as well). I knew that I would increase at least to 4, so I felt the return flow would be enough to overflow a little through the teeth for skimming.

Based on the height of where I drilled the holes, I had a good idea of how much more water volume my sump could take on so I was reasonabley sure before creating the jig. My bro-in-law is a big DIY guy, so it's good to have his experience and help...but I did the "pre-planning" of what I wanted.
 
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