My red tail boa is acting funny (video) please help!

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arlo

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i've had her for over a year and just got her back from a friend who also keeps red tail boas (he had her for about a month and it grew alot in his care).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x0P7DPgclJw
i've had her on newspaper and i still do. however since my friend has my ball python tank, i've had to have her with a ball python for about a month now. she ate fine and seemed cool living wit the ball (its only temporary) but now all of a sudden she isnt eating and acting like ^ (strange as u can see up there) . could it be from mixing the 2 different snakes? does anyone else know what is wrong?
 
First of all, why on earth did you think it would be a good idea to house a boa and a ball python together, regardless if it were to be temporary or not?

I am VERY surprised that the boa did not kill and eat the ball python.

I don't think it's IBD. IBD is DEADLY to pythons, and that ball would have been exhibiting symptoms and died within weeks - it kills pythons extremely fast.

Boas, on the other hand, can carry the virus w/o any symptoms for long periods of time before they eventually succumb to the its effects.

That boa is suffering from some major neurological/motor control issue. It needs to get to see a reptile veterinarian ASAP.

Please separate the two snakes and don't ever house 2 snakes together, even if they are the same species.
 
arlo;823641; said:
i've had her on newspaper and i still do. however since my friend has my ball python tank, i've had to have her with a ball python for about a month now. she ate fine and seemed cool living wit the ball (its only temporary) but now all of a sudden she isnt eating and acting like ^ (strange as u can see up there) . could it be from mixing the 2 different snakes? does anyone else know what is wrong?

You know that you can get a nice sweaterbox container ($10-$20) for the boa with a heat strip ($10-$30)?
 
Yep....my guess is IBD...I started a thread about it not long ago. http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65552

Not trying to berate you personally for the mistake, Arlo; I'm sorry for the loss. But one of these days, people will stop putting red-tails with pythons.

BTW...there is no known cure for it, either.
 
Again, I'm going to reiterate my point that it probably is not IBD.

Here's why - IBD kills pythons in a matter of weeks. This person has had these two snakes together for some time and apparently the ball python is fine, or he just hasn't said anything about it, so I'm assuming it is. A ball python housed with a boa with IBD would contract the disease and be dead in a very short period of time. Therefore, based on the info available, I feel safe concluding that it is not IBD.

The boa could have some kind of infection that has spread to its inner ears, causing it to "spin" like the video shows. It needs to see a Vet immediately.
 
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]I found this online...hopefully it will help clear anything up.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Inclusion Body Disease[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]©1995 Melissa Kaplan[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Inclusion body disease (IBD) has been increasingly diagnosed in boas and pythons ("boids"). It is believed to be a retrovirus. The way it affects these two groups of snakes is slightly different but the long term effects are the same: the disease is terminal in those animals who exhibit symptoms of the disease.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Pythons, although their symptoms may be somewhat less, are just as affected as boas. There are asymptomatic carriers, so the fact that a boa or python within an infected collection does not show signs of the illness should not be taken to mean that it is immune to it. Boas are most associated with being asymptomatic carriers.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Signs of infection in boas include central nervous system disorders such as paralysis, being unable to right itself when turned over, "star-gazing", inability to strike or constrict. Other signs include chronic regurgitation, extreme weight loss, respiratory infections, and dysecdysis due to the inability to control body movements enough to rub off the old skin. The disease is rapidly fatal in young and juvenile boas, typified by rapid onset of flaccid paralysis.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]In pythons, the disease progresses much more rapidly than in boas. Along with the above symptoms (excluding the chronic regurgitation), pythons also tend toward infectious stomatitis ("mouth rot"), heightened or exaggerated reflex responses, disorientation (which may be precipitated by the onset of central blindness) and loss of motor coordination.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]What causes this disease? Intracytoplasmic eosinophilic inclusion bodies have been identified in the epithelial cells of the kidneys and pancreas. Neuronal degeneration and lesions form in the spinal cord and brain, and may be accompanied by myelin degeneration and nerve damage. Damage to the spleen is also found, with that organ being grossly atrophied and fibrosed. Electron microscopy has found that the organism falls into the retrovirus category.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]The snake mite, Ophionyssus natricis, has been found in collections in which IBD has occurred but it is not implicated in all cases of infection.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]As this has been identified as a viral entity, it may spread like a virus, through contact between infectious organisms (such as housing an infected snake with a previously healthy one) or through airborne aerosolized secretions, or by the keeper passing secretions from one snake or enclosure to another during the course of handling or cleaning (when strict quarantine and cleaning procedures are not followed).[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]There is at this time no treatment for the disease and, as it is at this time always fatal and highly contagious, euthanasia is the course of action recommended. Even if the snake can be kept alive through supportive measures (hydration and force-feeding), the damage to the nerves, brain, spinal cord and internal organs is so great--and progressive--that live is only prolonged with an ever decreasing quality and increasing pain.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]Due to the increasing incidence of this disease, it cannot be stated or urged strongly enough to QUARANTINE ALL NEW BOIDS upon acquisition for at least 3-6 months, and to take precautions when visiting other collections, pet stores and expos/swaps.[/FONT]​
 
dam so i gotta put her down? she can't eat so i guess i'll have to if i have to.
dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
has any1 euthenized a snake?
 
i love this snake noooooooooooo :( :( :( this is such a burn i feel so bad i wish i could turn back time dammit i swear the kaplan description of IBD describes my boa's behavior PERFECTly =( i cant believe i did that to her.
 
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