Hey Eric, my two males (red lips & red flanks) I got at about 1/2"-3/4" from Jeff Rapps and one is approximately 6"s plus while the other is about 7"s plus. I suspect full growth will be at about 8"s or so. Once they hit 6"s, growth seems very slow -- although my largest is getting THICK similar to a wide bar. My two females I just got about three weeks ago. If you notice they look a bit roughed up compared to my males -- those are about the same size 6"s/7"s although they look a bit larger due to their long "veiled" anal fin. Their fins are healing up nicely.