Need Help with ID Again

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I am not an expert on them But i do not remember seeing the spangles on them. Possible something left over from a cross a while back and have never faded away down the line.
 
Ocell...
Any yes, Ocells and monos can have spangles on there dorsal fins.
 
I just want to chime in and say you guys are amazing. My eyes still spin when it comes telling ocells and monos apart. What are you using to tell? The black on the first dorsal fin? Length of stripes? Secondary ocells? I feel like any single thing that one person swears by in an ID thread is ignored in others. :nilly:
 
I just want to chime in and say you guys are amazing. My eyes still spin when it comes telling ocells and monos apart. What are you using to tell? The black on the first dorsal fin? Length of stripes? Secondary ocells? I feel like any single thing that one person swears by in an ID thread is ignored in others. :nilly:

This site helped me a couple times.

http://aqua-bonito.web.infoseek.co.jp/HOME/HOME.html
 
Occells for sure then eh guys? All of them?

I see a orino in the second picture. But yes, all of dem be Ocells. The first Ocell looks to be a Guiana ocell. Have any pictures of your Pinima?
 
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