Need someone better at math to help with GPH rate

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malawidave

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Ok, so I started designing my DIY tank about a week ago now, I've finally got all of the structural design done (minus the stand). It's going to be in the 950g range, give or take. My question is, I was going to build in an overflow system, but have no IDEA what so ever how to do the math for plumbing. From research that I've done, GPH was generally 5X the volume. So that brings me to 4750GPH, OK... now, here's my snag, what Diameter should the outlet be, and how large would the overflow box need to be inside the tank? And one final question what size wet/dry would I need to build to handle that capacity? Geometry was always my weakest subject, unfortunately. Other than that, piece of cake ha ha ha.

Thanks
 
5x is really on the very low side of the target range. For instance, I have 3k gph going through my sump, and an additional 3k in tank... for a 375. So, you need to figure out what pump you will use. In the 1k range tank, I think you're looking at a couple of hammerheads (around 5500 gph each). They are low watt draw, highly efficient, and extremely quiet.
 
nice... ok... so 11,000 is better... ok I'll go with that... what size should my overflow and outlet be? (8 ft L x 4 ft H). Either that or is there a particular formula for it?
 
That really depends on your plumbing. The outlet of the pump will determine what you return to the tank as. I try to oversize the drains from the tank to make sure that the pump is never starved. You can always throttle back, but you cant underfeed a pump. If you don't want to use dual hammerheads, I think there are a few options that are higher gph in a single pump, but I don't have experience with them.

On my 375, I have dual 1.5" drains and a single 1.5" in and out of my pump.
 
nice... ok... so 11,000 is better... ok I'll go with that... what size should my overflow and outlet be? (8 ft L x 4 ft H). Either that or is there a particular formula for it?

LOL it wont be 11000. It will be way less do to head loss. Pumps are rated at their max rating, so after you hook up some pipes and go up a couple feet your pump wont push as much water. It's really hard to get an accurate idea of how much water is moving through your system.

I agree with Clay, the pump can easily be throttled back if needed or another pump added if needed. The part that is very hard to change is the drain. Put a larger than you think drain in. There's a couple reasons for this:
1) Once the tank is set up and running you don't want to drill another hole
2) Might want to add a trickle system some day, added capacity of drain will be a good thing.
3) As fish start growing you may need to add another pump. Super easy if the drain can handle the extra water. Just drop a submersible pump in your sump and run the return to your tank, done. Very simple.

Check out glass-holes.com for drain sizes and overflow sizes. I would just buy from them (I have three, check out my 360 thread for set up) but if you just want to copy, you can use their dimensions and hole size for an accurate estimate of how much water a hole can drain.

When I set up a new tank I put in the largest drain possible and just start adding Quiet One submersible pumps until I get the flow I need LOL no math! I have 4 pumps on my 450. When a pump fails (they always do) then I just swap out with a back up. On my 450 when a pump fails I'm down 25%, the fish don't even notice lol.

I have one back up pump for all my tanks. The system works for me.

Good luck!
 
I feel like my brain is about to explode!!!! lol... The largest thing I've done so far is a 125 with 2 Emperors on it. So... the whole overflow/trickle/sump and pump thing is still pretty new. I've worked with basic pump stuff for a 390 at a LFS I used to work for, but everything was already set up, all I had to do was maintain it and replace stuff when it went down, never started anything from scratch.

Ok, with that said...

Here's the plan again...

8' L x 4' H x 4' W= roughly 953.blah blah gallons, after fiberglassing and sealing that'll take it to between 945 & 950 (guesstimate).

what size should the overflow be in L & W ???, the diameter of the outlet (I know a recommendation was made, but like I said I'm confused), and a trickle/sump size in gallons.The pump part like was said I can figure out now, thank you so much, I'll just adjust to whats needed.
I apologize for being lost on all this, I'm one of those see it and do it learners, so reading and following gets me lost ha ha ha, sorry

Thanks so much guys, hopefully once I figure this out all will be hunky dory
 
The size of the overflow really depends on what you want to do. I have corner overflows in my 375, but I've had a few different configurations in other tanks. I've had overflows outside the box, a calfo style overflow (horizontal across the water line), and I've just had the back drilled towards the top to determine the water line. All have advantages and can be relatively quiet depending on how they are fine tuned.
 
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