New ATF pellet training trick. Super easy & obvious. Complete break in five days!

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I'm actually mad at myself for not trying this before.

I started using this method while trying to break my little Hydrocynus brevis. This guy has proven to be THE most stubborn tigerfish I've tried to break so far. As he began to approach a month without a proper meal, I was becoming very concerned. I haven't succeeded in getting this fish to eat anything other than blood worms, and blood worms are essentially useless to the fish as far as nutrition is concerned.

Then, like a truck out of control, I was smashed by a serendipitous moment of clarity. Earthworms! I have never seen a young, wild caught fish refuse earthworms. I rushed out to my local bait store and picked up a little tub of worms. After getting back home, I pinched about an inch off of the back of a worm. I then squeezed the dirt/poop out of it and stuffed some massivore into it. That is actually more difficult than it sounds, btw. It makes life easier if you pinch off both ends of the piece of worm you're using.

After putting some massivore into the worm, I dropped it into the tank. The little BATF destroyed the worm like he hadn't eaten anything wholesome for almost a month (for some reason I couldn't begin to imagine)!

I could have smacked myself at this point for not thinking of this sooner.



Here's the timeline I'm at now-

Day 0- Fish hasn't eaten anything but bloodworms for almost a month. He's starting to get thin and I'm considering giving him live to fatten him up. He won't even acknowledge pellets that I add to the tank, be they floating or sinking varieties.

Day 1- Bought the first worms and gave it to the fish. He vigorously ate several worm chunks with a little bit of pellet stuffed inside.

Day 2- Tried stuffing floating carnisticks in the worm, it worked best when the carnistick was cut in half the long way. The worm/pellet combo still floated just fine. The fish enthusiastically went to the surface to get his worm/pellet snack. He wouldn't eat a worm/pellet combo unless the worm completely covered the pellet.

Day 3- Will now eat pellets that have a ring of worm in the middle, they don't need to be completely covered anymore. Will track but not bite wormless pellets.

Day 4- Smashes wormless pellets but won't swallow them. Will eat pellets with just the tiniest piece of worm on them.

Day 5- Eats wormless pellets.



This works with either massivore or floating pellets but absolutely shines when used with jumbo carnisticks. A jumbo carnistick cut in half and stuffed in a worm is exactly the same size and shape as a normal jumbo carnistick. This has been the easiest break for me with an ATF so far. And the best part? No teacher fish!

Good luck guys!
 
I'm actually mad at myself for not trying this before.

I started using this method while trying to break my little Hydrocynus brevis. This guy has proven to be THE most stubborn tigerfish I've tried to break so far. As he began to approach a month without a proper meal, I was becoming very concerned. I haven't succeeded in getting this fish to eat anything other than blood worms, and blood worms are essentially useless to the fish as far as nutrition is concerned.

Then, like a truck out of control, I was smashed by a serendipitous moment of clarity. Earthworms! I have never seen a young, wild caught fish refuse earthworms. I rushed out to my local bait store and picked up a little tub of worms. After getting back home, I pinched about an inch off of the back of a worm. I then squeezed the dirt/poop out of it and stuffed some massivore into it. That is actually more difficult than it sounds, btw. It makes life easier if you pinch off both ends of the piece of worm you're using.

After putting some massivore into the worm, I dropped it into the tank. The little BATF destroyed the worm like he hadn't eaten anything wholesome for almost a month (for some reason I couldn't begin to imagine)!

I could have smacked myself at this point for not thinking of this sooner.



Here's the timeline I'm at now-

Day 0- Fish hasn't eaten anything but bloodworms for almost a month. He's starting to get thin and I'm considering giving him live to fatten him up. He won't even acknowledge pellets that I add to the tank, be they floating or sinking varieties.

Day 1- Bought the first worms and gave it to the fish. He vigorously ate several worm chunks with a little bit of pellet stuffed inside.

Day 2- Tried stuffing floating carnisticks in the worm, it worked best when the carnistick was cut in half the long way. The worm/pellet combo still floated just fine. The fish enthusiastically went to the surface to get his worm/pellet snack. He wouldn't eat a worm/pellet combo unless the worm completely covered the pellet.

Day 3- Will now eat pellets that have a ring of worm in the middle, they don't need to be completely covered anymore. Will track but not bite wormless pellets.

Day 4- Smashes wormless pellets but won't swallow them. Will eat pellets with just the tiniest piece of worm on them.

Day 5- Eats wormless pellets.



This works with either massivore or floating pellets but absolutely shines when used with jumbo carnisticks. A jumbo carnistick cut in half and stuffed in a worm is exactly the same size and shape as a normal jumbo carnistick. This has been the easiest break for me with an ATF so far. And the best part? No teacher fish!

Good luck guys!

5 days, wow that's really fast.
 
Haha nice trick wit the worms. Did this idea with market prawns but I stopped doing this trick cuhz I got lazy. So I just buy super worms and feed prawns/shrimp but might try again.


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well great minds think alike haha I do that already Rob!!!! For real I've probably mentioned stuffing worms in a thread before, it works really well!! Like you said though you gotta squeeze the guts out, I've found the best way is to take a Bic lighter and kind of use it like a rolling pin, clears that stuff right out w/o getting it everywhere.

It is a great way to get more nutrients to the fish, I've been doing it for a couple months now w/ my bichirs and wolf fish

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Great thread Rob, well written and informative.
 
pellet training is much quicker if you starve them. Not even blood worms or anything. Mine usually took anywhere from 4 to 14 days. Faster with teacher fish.

Normally I'd agree, my timetable with the teacher fish method is in line with yours. My problem was that the brevis was being a butthead. It was like he couldn't see the pellets and he kept killing his barbs. So the teacher fish method wasn't working for him; he wouldn't tolerate his teachers long enough to learn from them. I had to come up with something new. Once I popped in an earthworm shrouded pellet, he smelled it and things went very quickly from that point forward. I'm sure the starvation period from attempting the teacher fish method probably helped this method along, too.
 
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