New guy with a few questions

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gharner

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Jul 23, 2013
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Hey everyone!
So Im new here. I've never kept rays, but have been wanting to and researching it for a few years now and think I'm about ready to take the dive. As far as fish go, I consider myself a fairly experienced keeper...I've had several tropical tanks, a native 55 gallon, 2 reef tanks, and am currently running a cichlid tank, not to mention we have a 2500 gallon koi pond. I've pretty much always had fish. Around here rays can be fairly difficult to come by but sometimes my lfs has a few for sale. Currently they have a female Motoro and a female retic. I know motoros are arguably the best starter ray, but because they're kinda hard to come by here the price is a bit to high for my liking. The retic on the other hand is a pretty little thing and a bit cheaper. I won't be able to cycle a tank in time, but would like to have one ready to go if possible for the next batch they get in which could be anywhere from a few weeks to possibly months away. My biggest question is concerning the housing...most of the books and articles I've read state that the footprint is more vital in ray housing than the tanks actual size (makes sense), but does the size of the ray matter when selecting an appropriate tank? For instance some fish do better when started in slightly smaller tanks as juveniles so they can be fed easily and observed better. The retic that I saw was a fairly small pup, about 4" disc diameter which got me thinking....would I be better off putting a ray of that size in its adult size tank for growout? Or starting it in something smaller for a few months such as a 40 breeder? Im down to buy a bigger tank, although space is slightly limited now, so a smaller 40 breeder or 75 gal would suit better until an upgrade is needed, but if that is completely unacceptable I would be fine looking for an adult size tank. Any thoughts or experience? Thanks everyone :)
 
Starting hardy rays in a large tank isn't a problem.(motoro). Retics at a lfs are normally wc and tough to get established. Plenty of vendors and individual sellers on here if you don't like what your lfs has. I'm I understanding your largest tank is a 75g?
 
As of now Im only getting ready for some tank shopping, thats all. The small size of the ray just got be thinking if it would be wise to start with a slightly smaller tank to begin growing out in. The one thing thats nice about my lfs is the rays don't seem to go too quickly, for instance this last "batch" they got in they've had for over a month now and both are eating well and are active....its not the kind of lfs that sells sickly or non-established fish, but who knows...a new tank could possibly stress a ray enough to cause her to not eat again.

-$ for the tank isnt an huge issue, but I would like to find a used tank at a reasonable price and real large tanks aren't to plentiful on craigslist right now....hence why I thought maybe starting smaller would be easier until a larger tank is necessary. How long could a pup stay in a smaller tank? Only a month or so? Or longer?
 
A pup could stay in a smaller tank for a while, but generally it's best to start as big as you can.

By starting small, you will have to do a lot more work, like water changes almost daily (for a 40 breeder, which I would say is too small under any circumstance - but that's personal opinion)

Just don't underestimate the amount of waste rays produce and their filtration/clean water needs, even the small ones.
 
Thanks everyone, I found a few tanks on craigslist right now that Im trying to go see here over the next few days....I think Im going to try my best to get a large tank to start but if for some some reason it doesn't quite work out Ill just go with a temp 75 gallon till I find a nicer tank. For some reason my area doesn't go through too many aquariums...I had to check craigslist for several months before finding my cichlid tank a few years ago, I guess its just luck of the draw but fortunately I've talked to 3 people so far about large tanks
 
75 would work for a male retic approx. 8monthes to 1yr depending how fast it grew.. idk about the other species as much but my retics grew about 1" per month give or take and they are active fish w/ long tails... personally though I would get a 120w or 180 off the bat. even then its possible a retic will outgrow your tank in 2yrs ( my female has) At the end of the day.. get the ray you want... because you will spend more feeding/caring/ect on it then the initial cost. retics seem to be more delicate as far as stabilizing in captivity and water perameters.. I found live blackworms and cut-up night crawlers to be the best food for mine. they still touch pellets but rarely. They also appreciate a higher flow rate then my other fish in general do, and realistically need the same amount of space for these reasons as motors and bigger rays. That being said now that I've kept retics the other species like leos price tags just aren't as scary to me, because it is still scary to drop 1k on a fish lol.
 
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