New, my setup and a stunting question

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superstretch

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Mar 20, 2013
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Hello,

New to the forums, but a lifelong aquarium hobbyist and monster fish lover. I have recently really got back into it, but I have some concerns about my fishes.

First my setup and fishes:

55 gallon tank with two power filters, one double
temp: trying to keep at 76 F
ph: try to keep at 7.0

Planning to move to a 125 gallon this year


My fishes:

1 7.5" (and growing) osphronemus Giant gourami
1 5.5" Black (labeo) shark
1 2.5" Tiger Datnoid
1 5.5" Red Bay Snook cichlid

Why I am concerned a bit:

I started with the black shark and gourami (and a since passed pink kisser) in a 20 gallon tank. The gourami was 3-7", the shark started at under an inch.

I moved them to the 55 last year, but admittedly did not change the water nearly enough. Maybe 4-5 times over the year. Yes, I know, and I hate myself for it. When I did change, I tried to be thorough.

They have been moved and the tank cleaned and gravel vac'd weekly for the last month, and I plan to maintain this (obviously) better schedule.

I do try to give give my fishes a balanced diet, though I tend to overfeed-2, maybe three feedings a day. I give them a mix of frozen brine, floating and sinking color/growth pellets. I also add packets of algae (for the shark & gourami) once or twice a week, as well as mealworms or feeder guppies a few times a week. I am thinking of adding frozen plankton to the mix for more variety.

Okay, I worry that I may have stunted my shark. Does almost 6" seem right, or should he be bigger at this point? I'm hoping he is not stunted. The other three have really responded well to pellet feeding, and I try to drop extra sinking for the shark, who loves them, but just doesn't have the mouth for 4-6 pellets in a second.

The gourami has really grown with the better conditions. At one point I thought the shark would catch him in size, but the gourami is pushing 8 inches and will beg for good regardless of how much I the gluttionous beast!

The balance of the tank:

-The gourami is king, tyrant, and absolute ruler. He bullies the snook and the shark regularly, chasing them both around the tank somewhat often.
-The shark is next and can be ruthless, in particular to the snook, who has almost caught him in size.
-The snook, like other snooks I've owned, is pretty peaceful for a cichlid. I know, I probably shouldn't have South American in a mostly Asian tank.
-Bottom rung is the little tiger dat, who holds his own, and actually battles for his own spot with the snook. He wouldn't grow at all at first, but is really responding to better water and pellets.

It seems pretty balanced as far as the personalities go. Way back in the 20 gallon, I had a clown knife 4" that did okay with the mix, but inexplicably died. I have since tried to introduce another 5" clown knife, but instead holding its own, it was sadly pummeled to death by the next morning. I just don't know if there is room for newcomers right now.

I am planning to add a clown knife and silver arrowana to the 125 when I set up, and introduce the others one by one over a week or two.

Sorry to be so long winded. Does anyone think I stunted my shark, or do I need to add more algae/brine/bloodworms and plankton. He seems bigger, just not where I want him to be.

Thanks in advance for any replies!

Jim
 
What kind of Labeo? I have a Labeo bicolor (Red Tailed Shark) and it's only 6" in a 360 it's whole life (7 years). Maybe it's at its max size?

The GG is going to out grow your 125 in a year or so. FYI

The Clown Knife will eventually eat your Labeo.

Welcome to MFK! Keep that 55. I use em for sumps, it's a perfect size and easy to convert when you get a real fish tank :)
 
Wellcome, above everything!

You have a lot to relearn :)

Your tank is waaay too small for its current stock, nor will the 125 be suitable for a silver aro.

Get rid of the Gouramy, he will kill everybody else.

Start reading on MFK and, as you already did, don ot fear asking questions :)

M
 
Sorry to say the black shark and GG will out grow the 125. So will the silver arrow and clown knife so I'd advise against all 4. but since you already have the GG and shark and sounds like you have already had them a while in that small of a tank (also with poor care (not completely your fault just unknowing) but they may be stunted. So they could work in the 125. And a year is too long of a wait if not already stunted they most likely will be.
 
The Gourami wil end up stressing the other to death.

It is the OP to decide which fish he prefers to keep, in the long run.
 
Hello all,

And thanks for the welcome and the many replies. My shark is not a redtailed but a black:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/profiles/black-shark/

I want to get him to all of 24" if possible. He's far and away the best "personality" fish in the tank.

The general consenesus is I should lose the Giant Gourami, though I may wait and see how things are in the 125 to concded that. He can pretty nasty/ruthless. It's his tank and he lets everyone know it. The snook and the shark know to stay out of his way( as well as they can). He doesn't bother the datnoid much yet.

My main concern is the others are growing responding well, and I'm wondering if it's because the shark can't consume as much/as fast as the others. When I pulled them and completely cleaned and revamped the tank for a week, I was surprised at how big everyone seemed.

Yes, I know a 125 will evenutally be too small. I planned to wait and get a 225 gallon, but maybe I should go straight to that plan.


Thanks again,

Jim
 
Yes, I know a 125 will evenutally be too small. I planned to wait and get a 225 gallon, but maybe I should go straight to that plan.


Thanks again,

Jim

Jim, i agree, go with the 225! You will be happy in the long run. Keep the GG, i have one im my 450 and its a great wet pet. Acts like a puppy when i walk in the room and eats strawberries from my hand.

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A 225 will be okay for life, A 125 is a big tank but not big enouf for your stock when full grown...
 
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