Just picked me up a nice sized ornate hes about 10" found him about an hour away paid 50 for him hes missing an eye but he seems to be doing real well hes swimming quite a bit had to move my small ornate and retro back to their 65 as soon as the retro got near him he had half his head in his mouth so i dont want to take a chance he does not seem to have really nice bright colors as my small ornate does he kind of looks a little whitetish could it just be that its stressed or do they kind of loose their colors as the get older.









