New oscar owner has ? about sump/wetdry filters

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nero6370

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Greetings all!!

Please forgive me; my ignorance knows no bounds...if any of you are familiar with my previous postings, I am getting a 75 gal for my 3 juv o's and 1 juv pleco. All I have for filtration is a Aquaclear 110. It supposedly will filter up to a 110 gal tank, but after reading all the previous responses I am not so sure. I may need an additional filter and I see a lot of great diy plans, but I have no clue what a sump is or what a wet/dry is. Do I need one or both of these for the 75? I am pretty handle, so a diy project doesn't faze me; I would just like to know what are the functions of each so I know how to judge the performance of the filters. Thanks, Tom
 
A sump is a "tank" under your display tank. The sump is awesome for bio filtration because of the amount of "air" your filter/bio media can be exposed to. Wet/dry refers to this method of filtering. Your Bio filtration will become more efficient the more air(oxygen) it is exposed to. So ultimately you would want to spray-wet your media gather the water that has passed through your media, and pump it back to the main tank. I've seen some people build Bio Towers out of stacked buckets with holes in their bottoms. Not eye candy, but very effective. Others like me use a glass tank with sections, to force the water to flow up and down, though our filter/bio media. I've had 0 ammonia in the 55 ever since it was cycled... Uhmmm... No... I've never had any thing else but 0 ammonia in the 55G because I let my sump cycle with my plec, while I was busy doing my background and overflow. Once the background was done and flushed a couple of times, I hooked the already cycled sump to it... Plug and play fish tank.

Sumps really are the way to go.
 
The confusion comes from people either improperly refering to their filters or only referring to a specific part of their filter and others on understanding this.

The sump is the tank that holds the wet/ dry filter which is kind of a misnomer in itself, part of it is not dry, just not submerged in the sump. The sump is usually 1/3 full of water with a return pump at the bottom. Filter consists of seversl layers of different filter materials. Water is usually siphoned from the tank into the wet/dry filter continuously. Filter materials are stacked above each other and drain from one down to the next. The first filter beening a course filter to remove large particulate matter (commercial floor scrubber pads are good for this and last forever, atleast I've never had one breakdown in10+ yrs.). Second filter is a medium texture, to further remove matter (same as first filter just get a finer polishing pad). Third filter is optional depending on what kind of bio-load you have (type and amount / size of fish). I recommend a third filter of a fine texture usually poly-fil batting (walmart, or cloth stores) to remove the finest stuff (also called polishing the water). The final part of this filter is the bio-media, Many different things can be used here, but I am going to suggest the nylon pot scrubbers as material of choice http://www.wernersponds.com/biofiltermedia.htm ) cheap / easy to care for / very large surface area and best reference 'used / proven by people like us'. These scrubbers (accurately named) are piled under the other filters so that they are half out of the water, the water drips on the scrubbers allowing aeration / degassing to occur and where the bacteria live and work - removing ammonia & converting nitrites to nitrates that are then removed by regular partial water changes. All of these filters need to be cleaned periodically by immersing in a large buckets of tank water saved from a water change(recycling?). Immerse and sqeeze lightly to remove most of the particulates (isn't that a polite term) matter, then reinstall.

NEVER: 1). Ever let filters dry out. 2) Ever clean with untreated chlorinated water.

Simple. Easy. Carefree... Oh wait this an aquarium nothing is ever carefree.

Check out Danh's filter: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=409462#post409462

and this is like maxumis': http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Uthup_Sump_Filter.html

Balancing the siphon to filter flow rate to return pump flow is the thing that may take a little time to get right.

There are plenty of siphon threads on here:

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15733&page=7

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32261

http://www.3reef.com/forums/attachm...p-diy-overflow-overflowmydry.jpg?d=1108229259

If you had the urge ($) look at this:http://www.aquacrylics.com/aquarium_filters.htm

Good luck, if there's anything we can help with - you know where we are :D

Remember: Take pics and post when you build. :thumbsup:

Dr Joe

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Thanks Dr Joe for all the good info; I am going to attempt to pick a design from the diy forum and gather the pieces this weekend. Also, I will be setting up my new 75 gal this weekend. I am going to use the AC 110 for the time being until I can get this wet/dry set up properly. I am wondering if I should pick up another filter of equivelent size to supplement the AC? Thanks, Tom
 
nero6370;491444; said:
Thanks Dr Joe for all the good info; I am going to attempt to pick a design from the diy forum and gather the pieces this weekend. Also, I will be setting up my new 75 gal this weekend. I am going to use the AC 110 for the time being until I can get this wet/dry set up properly. I am wondering if I should pick up another filter of equivelent size to supplement the AC? Thanks, Tom



It's always nice to have an extra filter on hand, especially if it uses the same insides so you can transfer media if pump fails, split media to start another tank or put on this tank if you temporarily raise the bio-load of your tank (new fish, yeah!). So if you've got the extra coin...I don't see a downside.

Dr Joe

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Dr Joe;491665; said:
It's always nice to have an extra filter on hand, especially if it uses the same insides so you can transfer media if pump fails, split media to start another tank or put on this tank if you temporarily raise the bio-load of your tank (new fish, yeah!). So if you've got the extra coin...I don't see a downside.

Dr Joe

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You can also throw some sponge filters in the sump so you have an established filter incase of emergency, such as setting up a hospital tank.
 
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