New tank on the way for cichla, water suggestions?

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Heres the deal. Ive got a Tenecor 96 x 36 x 30 on the way for my cichla. I wanted to run a sump but I cant due to the positioning in my house and the stand it will be on. If I ever had a problem with it I would never be able to get it out from under the tank. So, I will be using two Fx5's most likely. I plan to use some of the bio from a 405 running on my 65 growout to seed the filters, as well as a good portion of the gravel from the growout, which has been established for almost 2 years. Even then im going to let the tank run for a solid 30 days with cycle fish before I add my cichla. Maybe longer depending on water tests. I may even use a third smaller canister like a 305 or 405 just for extra mechanical and flow, and in the trays use something like peat granules to keep the Ph low and stable. From what Ive seen lower ph like 6-6.8 the fish dont look as washed out and the colors are more vivid.

On to the actual question, water. This will be the first really large tank I have ever owned. On all my other tanks I have always used bottled spring water for fills and water changes. Obviously this is not an economical solution when were talking 75 gallon water changes 2-3 times per month. Not to mention the initial fill. Ive been kicking around getting an RO / DI unit but ive heard horror stories on those as well. Like 350 gallons would create nearly 1000g of waste water, 75 gallon changes would create 400+ gallons of waste? Also if I did use an RO unit, what would you guys recommend for returning trace elements? Im leary of the tap water here as well. Initial tests show it to be a little high in chlorine, hardness, and ph. Which means alot of conditioning to be cichla worthy without using a superior pre filter such as an RO unit. Any feedback on experiences with RO/DI units, or even how you guys that use them re-introduce trace elements and such would be much appreciated. Sorry for the novel just easier to try and cover any questions that may arrise in one post. Thanks in advance!
 
what do your local fish store use since you will be buying from them. also you can use tap and treat it in a 55 gallon drum
 
i always used tap to set up my tank but i live in nyc where the water is basically perfect from the tap... as for you.. i recommend an rodi.. my friend ran one on his marine.. 60gpd created 60 gallon per day.. i dont know about all this waist water you are are talken about. im not a huge fan of canisters and big fish so if possible think about setting up an auto water changer.. the rodi question you may get better results in the filtration and setup forum along with picture threads.. try a search. as for trace elements.. kordon trace elements is great for soft water fish and wont alter water clarity, i would also use almond leaves.
 
Ok I have on really basic question. And think about it before you answer. Who said you had to put the sump under the tank? Why not put it some where more convient for you?
 
High City Rida;2543256; said:
Ok I have on really basic question. And think about it before you answer. Who said you had to put the sump under the tank? Why not put it some where more convient for you?

Good point Mike.. my LFS has the sump thats running his 10ft counter display tank behind and to the side of the shop counter, obviously cause the tank is a counter and already sitting on the floor the sump cant go underneath it lol you can pretty much pipe the overflow and return pump to suit where you place the sump..
 
High City Rida;2543256; said:
Ok I have on really basic question. And think about it before you answer. Who said you had to put the sump under the tank? Why not put it some where more convient for you?

Excellent point but wont work here. Space is at a premium. The tank is going in my home office, and ive got 2 desks with pc's set up in them. This tank and stand is pretty much going to take up all of the available space. I guess it would be possible to maybe run 2 smaller sumps rather than one large one? The problem I have is that this tank almost goes wall to wall where it is going. Maybe only 1.5ft of available space on either side making it impossible for side access to pull out a large sump. They would have to be able to be removed and installed thru the front panel doors.
 
Venom SS;2544815; said:
Excellent point but wont work here. Space is at a premium. The tank is going in my home office, and ive got 2 desks with pc's set up in them. This tank and stand is pretty much going to take up all of the available space. I guess it would be possible to maybe run 2 smaller sumps rather than one large one? The problem I have is that this tank almost goes wall to wall where it is going. Maybe only 1.5ft of available space on either side making it impossible for side access to pull out a large sump. They would have to be able to be removed and installed thru the front panel doors.

That is how my sump comes out. I would at least try to figure out a possiable sump idea just because of all the reasons you mentioned above. The less you have to tinker with the better. At least get two smaller sumps your cichla will benifit from this decision. ;)
 
That is something I gotta figure out then. Ive seen your fish, to not take your advice would be pretty jackassed. :thumbsup:
 
Thanks man. I am just trying to help my fellow Cichla keeper and when they get big a sump will save you tons of trouble. Or any 17''+ cichlid for that matter.
 
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