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crucial09

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Seems stupid to post about goldfish on MONSTER fish keepers.com lol

But I need help.
I just set up a 10 gallon aquarium, and bought two small comet goldfish for it.

The fish at the pet store were in terrible condition, so I picked the most healthy looking ones, infact the pet store had a hard time neting them because they were very healthy and fast.

One of them has a small red dot on the base of his dorsal fin.
Is this just some septicemia from the 45min ride home in the car?
My tank is 70~72F and the tank at the pet store is room temp.

And the other now has a crack or split in the middle of his dorsal fin.
No blood, and it is parallel to fins ray. I hope it just scraped it along the plastic plant.

Is this anything to be concerned about?
Should I buy some aquarium salt?
Thank you to all.
 
ten gallon is way to small for gold fish. One should have aleast 25g. Also comets get bigger so you would be better with fancy gold fish.. But still the tank is to small. better off getting some tetras or something gl
 
I had two goldfish for 4 years now in a 55 gallon tank. They are cool fish just messy. Other pp will help you find better fish for your tank. I did the same thing i had my fish in a 15 gallon and thought it would be ok. The pp on here thought i was crazy hahahaha. They should tell pp like us at the pet store but they just want to make a sale.
 
smokeythebair;4799830; said:
ten gallon is way to small for gold fish. One should have aleast 25g. Also comets get bigger so you would be better with fancy gold fish.. But still the tank is to small. better off getting some tetras or something gl


The fish arent even an inch long yet.
I will upgrade the tank as needed, and as money allows, meanwhile can someone help me and give me any advice relevant to my question?

thank you.
 
I have no clue about the red dot. You probably have to put up a picture for people to see. The split fin is probably just from being netted out. It should heal fine
 
shua71;4799892; said:
I have no clue about the red dot. You probably have to put up a picture for people to see. The split fin is probably just from being netted out. It should heal fine

Thanks.

I'll try to get a pic of the red dot. Its really small.

And I figure the split fin will heal fine since there is no sign of damage or infection.

Pic will be up soon if I can take a good one.
 
You will need an API freshwater master test kit to test your water while the tank goes through the cycling process. It will be very difficult to do since you already have two very messy fish in the tank. The maladies you are describing are from poor water quality.

You will likely need to do 100% water changes daily to protect the fish. Do you have another tank/tub you could keep them in while you cycle your filter, letting the filter cycle so you won't have to remove ammonia it will go much faster than trying to cycle the tank with fish in it.

I know it sounds confusing, but this post here explains it a little better than I did. http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22119&p=296774&hilit=+special+cycle+tank#p296774
 
Laticauda;4800624; said:
You will need an API freshwater master test kit to test your water while the tank goes through the cycling process. It will be very difficult to do since you already have two very messy fish in the tank. The maladies you are describing are from poor water quality.

You will likely need to do 100% water changes daily to protect the fish. Do you have another tank/tub you could keep them in while you cycle your filter, letting the filter cycle so you won't have to remove ammonia it will go much faster than trying to cycle the tank with fish in it.

I know it sounds confusing, but this post here explains it a little better than I did. http://thegab.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22119&p=296774&hilit=+special+cycle+tank#p296774

I do not have another tank to hold the fish in.

However, when I set up my tank, I used the tap water.
Which here in Canada, for some reason, is a murky brown tint.

I treated the water for chlorine, nitrite, and nitrate, and to protect the fish's slime coat.
And I treated it with the cycle starter for starting aquarium bacteria.

I let the tank run for over a week with no fish, and the carbon cleared up the water over a week.

The filter I have is an aquaclear 20, with the sponge,carbon, and biomax.

after all that treating and letting the tank run for over a week I don't see how it can be bad water quality.


Also, in addition, I fed them flakes from the store, AND tonight started them on Shrimp and peas.
With a quick defrost in the microwave, and chopped up really small.
They love it.
 
crucial09;4800654; said:
I do not have another tank to hold the fish in.

However, when I set up my tank, I used the tap water.
Which here in Canada, for some reason, is a murky brown tint.

I treated the water for chlorine, nitrite, and nitrate, and to protect the fish's slime coat.
And I treated it with the cycle starter for starting aquarium bacteria.

I let the tank run for over a week with no fish, and the carbon cleared up the water over a week.

The filter I have is an aquaclear 20, with the sponge,carbon, and biomax.

after all that treating and letting the tank run for over a week I don't see how it can be bad water quality.

Before you put fish into the tank, there was nothing there to start a cycle.
Once you put the fish in, they produce wastes (ammonia) and since there is nothing to convert this ammonia into less harmful chemicals, the fish are suffering. Here is a previous post I made that details the cycling process.
Laticauda;4795604; said:
You will want to invest in a liquid dropper test kit. API makes a nice freshwater master test kit that has everything you need to get started. You can buy plain ammonia from ACE hardware (in the cleaning supplies section) to have an ammonia source for fishless cycling. (This part will not apply to you "crucial" since you already have fish in the tank.)

Goldfish:
They can be heartbreaking, and are a lot of work, so if you want something easier, go with the African cichlids as previously suggested. Either way, you will need a test kit. Don't waste your money with the test strips, they are inaccurate and cost more per individual test. You will be testing every day, and sometimes multiple times a day, so just invest the money for a liquid dropper test kit. If you don't mind ordering online, you can find one for $25 plus shipping. Also, I recommend using Prime as a dechlorinator. This will not only save money in the long run, but also help you should something happen to your beneficial bacteria while you have fish. This is not an excuse to try to cycle your tank with fish in it.

In case you are wondering exactly what "cycling your tank" means, here is a brief description (EDIT:: and by brief, I mean long-ish.)

When fish eat, they also poop (simple enough right?) Well, that poop eventually turns into a waste product called ammonia. Ammonia is very toxic to fish and causes the fish to be burned form the chemicals. So, if you have ammonia in your water, what do you do to save your fish from burns?

The first step of the cycling process is colonizing your filter with a type of bacteria that transform ammonia into nitrIte. NitrIte is also very toxic to fish. It competes in the gills for oxygen, and causes the fish to have blood poisoning (aka brown blood disease) and causes the fish to stress and/or die. Now, you have this problem of nitrItes in your water...what do you do?

The second step in the cycling process is colonizing your filter with another type of bacteria that uses the nitrItes and converts them into a less toxic form, called nitrAtes. NitrAtes will not do as much damage to your fish as the other two forms (ammonia and nitrIte) but as the levels increase, prolonged exposure to higher levels of nitrAtes can cause organ failure, stress, succumbing to illness or infection and ultimately death. So...you have these nitrAtes building up in your tank, what do you do to get rid of them, and at what level should you be concerned?

Once nitrAtes reach a level of about 20, I do a 50% water change. The absolute highest you want your nitrAtes to ever reach to avoid any possible side-effects is 40. You will want to continue to test your water periodically for ammonia, nitrIte and nitrAtes to make sure everything is working well.

You will know your tank has fully cycled and is ready for fish, when your test readings read 0-ammonia, 0-nitrIte and the appropriate number of nitrAtes. After fishless cycling, it is common for nitrAtes to be very high, and you will likely need to do quite a few water changes before the tank is ready for the fish.

Once your tank is cycled, and you have lowered the nitrAtes to the lower level, you can start by adding a small fish or two to see how things go. Give it a couple of weeks, then you can slowly increase your stocking level. (This also depends on what "stock-load" you used when preparing your tank in the amount of ammonia you use to cycle your tank, but I am too tired to get all into that, I believe there is a great article/post here on MFK, if you just search for it.)

It is highly recommended to have a quarantine tank set up for any additional fish you may want to add to your tank. Some people don't do this, and I on occasion haven't...the one time I cut it short, my fish got infected, so that risk is up for you to decide.

I know it may seem a bit overwhelming, but it is also very rewarding when you do it right, and don't lose any fish because you didn't make them suffer through the cycling process/high levels of toxins in the water. It will also save you a lot of money in the long run.

Since you don't have another tank, you can simply go to walmart and buy a 35 gallon tub as a secondary water body. Please read more on the GAB link I posted for detailed instructions on how to cycle your filter, while keeping your fish safe, and not putting them through the cycling process.
 
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