NO MORE STINGRAYS FROM BRAZIL....
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David,
Basically, this IS a burocratic and political decision, yes, based on the low number of agents of IBAMA and on the fact that the harvesting of rays to the ornamental fish trade being NOT AN ESSENTIAL ACTIVITY.
Do you REALLY think that local fishermen get paid as much as YOU pay for a ray in a LFS? There's no way a fisherman can buy a cow by the price of a live ray here... Maybe 2-3 Kg of bovine meat, but not a cow. The first-hand distributors here sell a juvie motoro for about US$ 15.00-20.00, meaning that they pay US$ 10.00 each, at most, for the fishermen. Most probably around US$ 5.00, to be honest. If you know where I can buy a cow with this money, PLEASE tell me.
I agree about the ray quotas, or I'd agree IF the sellers/ distributors/ exporters were RELIABLE about their given informations and the reality. If they declared EXACTLY the same they sold/ exported, it would work nicely, but it's NOT the case. And IBAMA have too many agents to keep track of the non-declared specimens. That's why the big bosses devided that the prohibition is much more practical than the regulamentation/ restriction. Mainly because IBAMA can't trust the seller's declarations.
Well, according to the "fisheries department" (actually several government entities) of Brazil, rays are food fishes, and there's a permanent pressure on the adults. The ornamental fish trade focuses on the young specimens... That's called "double pressure" here. Harvesting both the young and the adults. It's considered too heavy for the rays by the authorities.
Actually, you're wrong here. That's a NATIONAL regulamentation. It's valid in Brazil as a whole. Most exporters are complaining now, because there's a lot of pressure from the BUYERS to have rays within every big order, but at least for a while, NO RAYS FROM THE WILD.
Unfortunately, there are NO captive breeding projects/ facilities for rays in Brazil, because these specimens could be exported. Why there are no breeders? Simply because there are too many collectors harvesting the wild population, and it's easier and cheaper to deal with WC specimens than to breed their own. Period. Just the same problem with SA arowanas.
Best regards.
Daniel.
DavidW;528290; said:
Basically, this IS a burocratic and political decision, yes, based on the low number of agents of IBAMA and on the fact that the harvesting of rays to the ornamental fish trade being NOT AN ESSENTIAL ACTIVITY.
Do you REALLY think that local fishermen get paid as much as YOU pay for a ray in a LFS? There's no way a fisherman can buy a cow by the price of a live ray here... Maybe 2-3 Kg of bovine meat, but not a cow. The first-hand distributors here sell a juvie motoro for about US$ 15.00-20.00, meaning that they pay US$ 10.00 each, at most, for the fishermen. Most probably around US$ 5.00, to be honest. If you know where I can buy a cow with this money, PLEASE tell me.
I agree about the ray quotas, or I'd agree IF the sellers/ distributors/ exporters were RELIABLE about their given informations and the reality. If they declared EXACTLY the same they sold/ exported, it would work nicely, but it's NOT the case. And IBAMA have too many agents to keep track of the non-declared specimens. That's why the big bosses devided that the prohibition is much more practical than the regulamentation/ restriction. Mainly because IBAMA can't trust the seller's declarations.
T1KARMANN;528276; said:
Well, according to the "fisheries department" (actually several government entities) of Brazil, rays are food fishes, and there's a permanent pressure on the adults. The ornamental fish trade focuses on the young specimens... That's called "double pressure" here. Harvesting both the young and the adults. It's considered too heavy for the rays by the authorities.
DavidW;529671; said:
Actually, you're wrong here. That's a NATIONAL regulamentation. It's valid in Brazil as a whole. Most exporters are complaining now, because there's a lot of pressure from the BUYERS to have rays within every big order, but at least for a while, NO RAYS FROM THE WILD.
Unfortunately, there are NO captive breeding projects/ facilities for rays in Brazil, because these specimens could be exported. Why there are no breeders? Simply because there are too many collectors harvesting the wild population, and it's easier and cheaper to deal with WC specimens than to breed their own. Period. Just the same problem with SA arowanas.
Best regards.
Daniel.