Noobie angelfish spawn!

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TankDempsey

TankDempsey

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So my black angelfish just laid eggs, I had no idea they had paired up, or even that I had a male and a female. I'm just wondering what are some basic guidelines for their fry and how the parents take care of them. And what I should do to ensure the maximum survival rate. As you can see by the pics, they laid them on the filter intake tube too, so I'm wondering if I should turn the filter off until they hatch? This was also a community/growout for my senegalus and I'm partially worried that he would try and eat the eggs/fry? Any suggestions as to what I should do?

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If you turn off your filter, all BB will be dead too. I suggest not to do anything to see if they hatch or not to find out you have a proven pair or not. Let the pair figure out the way themself. If they hatch then move them to breeding tank or cover the intake with sponge.
 
MKD said:
If you turn off your filter, all BB will be dead too. I suggest not to do anything to see if they hatch or not to find out you have a proven pair or not. Let the pair figure out the way themself. If they hatch then move them to breeding tank or cover the intake with sponge.
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theres still another AC 70 running on the other side of the tank with bio media, will it still matter?
 
I would just leave them most likely if you don't pull them the pair will eat their first batch anyway, if not someone else will in the tank. If they were laid very recently you could pull the whole tube with eggs and replace it temporarily with a price of tubing our something that fits or leave the filter off. Put the tube/eggs in a one gallon jar with warm water and a few drops of methylene blue and put the tube in it upside down from the way they were laid if possible. Then run a bubbler close to but not directly on the eggs to create A current to pull debris away from the eggs to keep them clean. Float the jar in
Another tank with heater to keep it warm if you room is below 79-80°.

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In my experience, the filter should go off. Never have I had a success with the liter running. The pair will most likely eat the eggs, especially since you've been around the tank taking pictures. It might not be all pairs, but mine are very finicky around eggs. Plus if you leave some tank water in the filter the BB will be fine in my experience. You have to keep up on water changes though! If you can't do that try your luck with running the filter.


In the future, when you see them cleaning a spawning site, turn off the filter and start daily water changes. Sometimes the male has trouble properly fertilizing the eggs if there's too much water movement.

Also, for you to have a better understanding, here's a step by step process on parent raising. (assuming you know the general timeline on first feedings and desperation)

1.) Turn off filter wen pair is cleaning.
*Begin daily water changes here
*Stop feeding the pair. Both of these lead to no nitrates being produced and as long as you have clean water in the changes this allows for great parameters for fry.

2.) Leave pair alone as much as possible. I do water changes and otherwise leave them alone until I notice free swimmers.

3.) Once fry are free swimming, begin feeding and turn on the filter.
*Be sure to cover the intake with a sponge!
*Siphon out any uneaten food after feedings and keep water change schedule in addition.

4.) Separate into 20 gallon rearing tanks. This should be enough provided parameters are acceptable.

Good luck!




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well they ate them anyways, gonna feed bloodworms and do some water hanges to see if i can get another one... really don't wanna put up another tank so if any are gonna survive its gonna be because they survive naturally. can somebody explain what type of sponge would be good to add to my filters? can it be any kind of sponge sold at stores? this part confuses me.
 
1.) Unless you move them, your probably won't get any to survive. Eventually a pair will go into spawning mode again no matter how long old fry have been with them. And the old fry will pick on the eggs and the parents will pick off the old fry. Angelfish just don't help to raise future generations so I don't see success with that "survive naturally" stuff. They're in a glass box. Nothing can be that natural.

2.) I've had success with natural sponges and sponges that are used as mechanical filtration for smaller HOB filters. They come in little blocks.


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i could see it happening, i'm gonna plant the heck out of it so they might, but if they don't thats ok, i don't really have anywhere for them to go, and couldn't make much off them unless i found local buyers, because the lfs breeds them, and thats where i got the pare lol.
 
This is likely going to be your first of several batches of eggs. When my angels started breeding they laid every 1 to 2 weeks for about four months. Unfortunately it would be a miracle if this specific batch made it in a community tank with that kind of filter. My recommendation would be to leave the current eggs alone, buy a fry safe filter (sponge filter) get a 20 gallon tank with a piece of slate and a fake plant, put the breeding angels in the tank, and wait for more eggs. If the eggs hatch wait for a few days before you try to feed them. You will feed them brine shrimp (not frozen) or something called first bites which you can buy at your lfs. Brine shrimp are easy to hatch and a better option in my opinion. Good luck!


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