Payara question

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leviathon13

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I know alot of people lose scombs for unknown reasons, are they touchier or weaker the smaller they are? I've lost two out of three in the last week, and the third was the biggest of the three and he has cloudy eyes that i'm treating with melafix, salt and higher temps. They were/are all stuff 2.5-3".are tats and armatus tougher? If I lose this guy I'm gonna get another species, dont know which is tougher/hardier.any info would be greatly appreciated.thanks

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Yup i would get a few tats.

Armatus are hard to keep alive when they get big. We cant provide the space and high currents that they need


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Thanks vamptrev.i reeeeaaaalllly wanted an armatus but tats are awesome just the same.should I get three?i know you guys say they do better in schools but they aren't cheap I probably can't swing the price of four right now.and just having two would lead to squabbling.do they do alright singly at all? How big a tank do you recommend (minimum) for three 5"ers?

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leviathon13 said:
Thanks vamptrev.i reeeeaaaalllly wanted an armatus but tats are awesome just the same.should I get three?i know you guys say they do better in schools but they aren't cheap I probably can't swing the price of four right now.and just having two would lead to squabbling.do they do alright singly at all? How big a tank do you recommend (minimum) for three 5"ers?

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yup they do fine as a single specimen, but all mine does it sleep all day and come out at night when the lights are low or out. I had three before and they were definitely more active.. it's fun as hell to watch a school of badass fish swimming back and forth :headbang2 lol worth the money if u ask me!

as for having four or two, i don't know the reason behind it, but people have always told me to keep schools of odd numbers
 
No one really knows why sudden death occurs, it's speculated Scombs are short lived (2 years) , not able to migrate for breeding or adulthood, or caught with cyanide and can't grow fast enuff not to die from the pioson.
 
Hmmm.well one I believe to have ben baby armatus, completely different body and head shape, orange adipose fin, much more aggressive water than the other two, he died first with no warning signs.the smaller scomb died next.the third and largest got the beginnings of an eye infection,i treated with sadly, melafix and higher temps, he quit eating, got a little worse, and I thought he was a gonner.i expected to find him dead yesterday.both eyes have cleared up.i was gonna put bleach in the tank if he had died to sterilize it, and start over, re cycle the tank and get tats.but hes doing well chasing guppies and eating.i turned on the rio 2500 pump aking with the two ac 110s to make it really turbulent in there, it's an experiment, if hes gonna die because hes a scomb,i can't prevent it, then i'll do what I said earlier, but maybe, just maybe they need super high currents from a young age.idk i'm gonna do a massive wc in two days and keep the heat and current up and see what happens

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The only problem with keeping them in schools is that they will shank eachothers eyes. Its almost better to have one along with a bunch of dithers


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You mean scombs? Or payara in general.the three I had didn't really school, they stayed away from each other.basically I bought three because I expected to lose one or two


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What would make good dithers for a3"scomb.remember i've got about 2000gph churning in a75 gallon tank with only gravel and a few large rocks where he can get out of the current.they would have to be able to handle the fast moving water

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