Peacocks + Brichardi?

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Ive been thinking of doing this for awhile,do you guys think it would make a fair setup?I was thinking eureka reds,sunshine,and then of course the brichardi.At one point I was thinking of some yellow labs but decided against it.how many of each would be good for a 55?
other than them being from different lakes I think it would be a very nice looking setup,any thoughts would be welcome.
 
From what i've experieced and reading... The brichardi should they pair up will take over the tank eventually turning it into a sp. tank.
 
as in a breeding pair of brichardi will be too aggressive for the peacocks and kill them?or as in they will pump out alot of fry and take over the tank with sheer numbers.
if the later,I have somone who would buy the fry on a regular basis.....
 
señor_pescados_felices;576109; said:
as in a breeding pair of brichardi will be too aggressive for the peacocks and kill them?or as in they will pump out alot of fry and take over the tank with sheer numbers.
if the later,I have somone who would buy the fry on a regular basis.....

As in they will pump out a lot of fry more then likely then the shear #'s may pester the aulonucara(peacocks) to death ( literaly stres them to death).If you can keepthe fry to a minimum then you should be ok with the mix. the Aulonucara will more then likely be males as those are the colorful ones,females are drab grey/silver fish & cost much less. If you want to breed the peacocks then get one species to avoid hybrids. neither is that agressive but the brichardi will protect their territory & usually shoal as a group so if their are 5 adults one pr. may reproduce but all 5 will defend the spawn if related to the parents(think lion pride). Then with 5 fish not neccassarily red devil fashion attacking at once the alonucara will get stressed. give plenty of hides & no more then 4 adults Brichardi then you should be ok.
 
mike dunagan;576372;576372 said:
why not stay way from the brichardi, they are a dull gray and go a full peacock tank. Add a few less agressive tank mates if you want something different.
I do like the way bricahrdi look, but I do agree with this statment.. Your prob better off doing one or the other. Peacock tanks do really well and look very nice in my own opnion but a brichardi tank would look pretty cool also.
 
I love brichardi. But they are mean suckers. They nip and torment fish. Im glad i dont have them any more.;)
 
If your adding a few peacocks in there, only get one or a couple males the most dominant peacock in the tank has the best colors and they start to go down hill from there don't get me wrong they are still pretty, peacocks always are. I have probably about 12 or 13 males in my 220, they were all fully colored up when I bought them,due to lack of competition, but when I got them home and they found out who the bosses are alot of them dulled way down and if you didn't know any better you would think that 2 or 3 are females. Also do not put any females in if you have more than one male or you will end up with some serious aggression levels as I found out,and cross breeding and you don't want that spread into the hobby
 
Why don't you want some cross breeding? You never know when something new and great will come alive. I understand not force hybrids, but if nature calls let them be... just let it be...
 
Okay, here's my little bit of experience with Peacocks and Brichardi over the past year, for what it's worth. I started them all as small, 1 to 2 inches, dep. on species. One pair of Brichardi, locally bred; 2 pair of Taiwan Reefs, and 5 OB peacocks, not old enough to sex. Put in a 55g, sand/crushed shell/pea gravel substrate, creek rock everywere, lots of plastic and silk plants with bunches of Anacharis for munching.

It didn't take the Brichardi long to take over half of the tank--they had taken a cave/giant plant combo. Whenever a peacock wandered into their territory, they'd chase it away. It was astonishing to see such small fish run off the growing others. Brichardi have very small teeth in the front, two top, two bottom. Never saw them bite or body contact. The have a rich taupe color, with masks of black and blue with a reddish-orange dot. Gray? Haven't seen any Neolamprologus in a gray--might be in poor water or just not happy. Mine are still small, so they have the 10g to themselves, with a cave, jungle of water sprite, and sand/gravel/shell substrate they industriously move.

The Peacocks started to develop color--Taiwan Reefs at first. The dominant male went full throttle, whereas the other just hung around hanging out with the OB's, gaining enough color and size to show gender, and only colored up when he felt bold. All four, male and female, are still with me. The females are a lovely silvery with black vertical stripes.

The OB's are, as I finally found in research (sold as "Peacocks" and had correct physique), a hybrid of Peacock and Mbuna. Random, it seems. I lucked out with having a beautifully colored, large full-bodied male and 4 females. I don't personally mind hybrids, have had a couple mules, and prefer mixed breed dogs, but I don't think it's a good thing for the general fish-hobby industry. Much has been written and argued in various forums about hybrids, from Blood-Red Parrots to random species mixing in tank with accidental breeding. Mine have had one spawing that produced 7 babies; one female was harassed to death; adults have since all acquired a taste for fresh-spit fry, so none have survived since, and that's fine with me as I'd rather acquire another tank for my BGK and Madagascan Paratilapia--they'll get huge. BTW, in the wild, research has shown that species stick to their own, and there is no "let it be" per interbreeding.

It's interesting to see how these young hybrids are growing up in terms of body shape, eyes, coloration, etc., but I WOULD NEVER give them away or sell. They have really taken on the 2 distinct characteristcs of both species--spit by an OB female. I do have a random peacock female sold to me as a Sunset Peacock--at 1" she had color, looked like a male, but au contraire, mon ami, she looks exactly the same as an adult. Sticks out like a sore thumb--I really, really don't like pink--but she's in my care.

Sorry this rambled on, but I was just trying to hit both topics--Brichardi with Peacocks, and Peacocks in general. You could do an overcrowded tank with tons of rockwork and do a single species Peacock tank with 3 males and 3 females for each, with a total of 12 fish (or more, depending on tank size) with hopes that the overcrowding will reduce aggression. Alot of cichlid keepers seem to do this. The Peacocks are relatively peaceful, but when the males are in "full bloom," they'll run those females ragged. I nicknamed my dominant Taiwan Reef "Horn Dog" due to his gallantry.
 
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