Piranha ill ?

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rain21

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recently one of my piranha's belly became big and it swims rarely.
staying in a corner of the tank...
it is the most weakest piranha out of 6 i have.

is it ill or is it normal ?
if it is ill, how to treat it ? any idea ?
 
sounds like bloat, heres a copy and paste remedy

Causes of Bloat

Egg-binding

This is where a female is unable or unwilling to expel the eggs. Usually the eggs are absorbed back into the body. Other symptoms are lethargy, rapid breathing and general loss of appetite. Epsom salts can help the fish absorb the eggs but in severe cases an antibiotic may be required if the eggs have decomposed and caused a bacterial infection. (See Epsom Salt treatment or Antibiotic Treatment.)

Intestinal blockage (constipation)

Due to constipation, gasses can build up inside the fish's stomach or intestines and cause the fish to bloat or lose equilibrium. If this is the cause, a change in diet is required including more variety and roughage. This is usually the cause of “Boring Diet Syndrome” and an excess of starchy foods.

Internal bacterial infection

In most cases this is characterized as a gram-negative bacterial infection. The best results can be garnered by using a broad spectrum “gram-negative” antibiotic. Egg-binding can also lead to an internal bacterial infection. (See below for antibacterial treatments.)

Swim bladder disorder

This can be characterized by the fish having a general buoyancy problem. You may observe the fish floating at the surface and being unable to stay at the bottom of the tank without considerable effort. The fish may also swim with its head pointed downwards or even appear as if it is standing on its head with its nose planted in the gravel. In severe cases the fish may even swim inverted.

Intestinal Parasite

Amongst African enthusiasts, this is considered a leading candidate for the cause of bloat in African cichlids. Symptoms are very similar (if not the same) as those of us that keep South American cichlids commonly diagnose as “Hex”. Treatment is generally the same as Hex, using metronidazole, and in extreme cases, using Clout.

Treatments

From my personal experience I always try the least invasive method of treatment first before resorting to any harsher methods. That said I will always assume an intestinal blockage before a bacterial infection unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and a bacterial infection before egg-binding unless the female is a known layer who is suspected as withhold the expulsion of her eggs. Below are the most common treatments for the symptoms and ailments described above:

Epsom Salt Treatment

Quickest Cure:

Feed a shelled pea. Peas are natural laxatives for fish. You may want to slightly blanch or microwave the peas for a few seconds to soften them up and remove the shell.

Quick Cure:

Feed a pea with a crystal of Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) in it to the fish. Epsom salts is a purgative. If that doesn't purge the fish, use one of the expanded methods below. Ammonia levels must be watched carefully.

Short Dip:

In a large container filled with water from your aquarium, add 1 tablespoon Epsom salts per gallon (this keeps water temperature constant for the initial part of the bath. Swim the fish in this solution for 1/4 to 1/2 hour or until stress shows or feces are released. Top the water up in the fish's usual container with dechlorinated water and return the fish to it. Change the water in about an hour to remove any feces and residual salts. Repeat daily until fish shows signs of recovery. Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment.

Medium Term Bath:

1 tablespoon Epsom salt per 5g, repeated every day for 3 days. Up the temperature to between 82 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit and monitor for two weeks. Increase aeration or surface agitation during this time of offset the lack of oxygen in the water due to the high temperatures. During this procedure do not feed. After the fish has recovered - feed a more varied diet including live foods as much as possible (crickets, earthworms, bloodworms, etc.) Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment.

Long Term Bath:

Add 1/8 teaspoon of Epsom salt for every 5 gallons of water. Up the temperature to between 82 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit and monitor for two weeks. Increase aeration or surface agitation during this time of offset the lack of oxygen in the water due to the high temperatures. Check for signs of bacterial infection or parasites for further treatment

Antibiotic Treatment

Some of the best medications for treating for bacterial infections contributing to swim-bladder disorders and internal infections resulting from decomposing eggs in egg-bound females are listed below:

Nitrofuran (also known as Furan.)

Remove activated carbon, increase aeration during treatment, WILL AFFECT BIOLOGICAL FILTER - use of a quarantine tank is suggested.

Kanamycin Sulfate (Kanamycin, Kanacyn.)

Not for use with ornamental fish, remove activated carbon, increase aeration during treatment, WILL AFFECT BIOLOGICAL FILTER - use of a quarantine tank is suggested.

Kmuda note: SeaChem KanaPlex does not impact the biological filter, or at least has not impacted biofiltration when I've used it in over filtered tanks.

Maracyn-2.

Safe for biological filter - 5 day treatment, increase aeration during treatment.
 
now it's i n a quarantine tank. I will put some salt there now.
hopefully it will become fine soon.
tomorrow i will call lfs and ask for some anti bacterial liquid.

even this is the weakest piranha among the 6 i have, i dont wanna lose it.
 
get maracyn-2 gram negative bacteria specific mate..
 
oooh ur in russia, had to order mine from the usa when i needed it... vets is the only option in the uk for fish antibiotics hope its not the case in russia, should be a last resort anyways really.
 
yep.
Here it is very difficult to find that type of medicine. But I've seen a liquid medicine called rid all for fungal infections or so. Will it work for this situation to cure the fish ?
By the way tomorrow will call few lfs and ask about the anti bacterial medicine.
I head there are anti bacterial food, but i dont think the fish will eat them. :(
 
piranha died today after the epsom salt treatment. After the treatment i checked it for about 2 hours and went to a shop to buy something and when i came back after 1 hour it was dead. Today morning when i went to lfs, they said never to treat piranha with normal salt or epsom salt. But i did because in many places written it is ok. At last I got to understand that lfs is damn correct. It took 1 life to know this much. Need to care the rest of the fish as lfs said today. They also gave me a liquid medicine - anti bacterial to use if piranhas get any sickness. Also said me to use it in very small amounts. Today I fully cleaned the tank. Soon going to buy the new tank with a super powerful inbuilt filter system. 120 G. Thanks everyone who helped me to treat the fish. But at last It died. Time to mourn (((((
 
piranha died today after the epsom salt treatment. After the treatment i checked it for about 2 hours and went to a shop to buy something and when i came back after 1 hour it was dead. Today morning when i went to lfs, they said never to treat piranha with normal salt or epsom salt. But i did because in many places written it is ok. At last I got to understand that lfs is damn correct. It took 1 life to know this much. Need to care the rest of the fish as lfs said today. They also gave me a liquid medicine - anti bacterial to use if piranhas get any sickness. Also said me to use it in very small amounts. Today I fully cleaned the tank. Soon going to buy the new tank with a super powerful inbuilt filter system. 120 G. Thanks everyone who helped me to treat the fish. But at last It died. Time to mourn (((((

EPSOM SALT draws fluid from the body and is basically an old school last resort way/hope to save a fish.

Aquarium salt like API is a better idea but not knowing the real problems means you don't know the correct treatment! At that point you can only guess. If your introducing feeders or other un quarantined fish this may be the cause of it! It may have got picked on and stressed to death leading to eventual symptoms. At that point clean water and stress coat could of helped. At least you tried. Get that bigger tank ASAP





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