Polypterus senegalus meridionalis?

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:ROFL:Has anyone EVER seen one, or have any reliable pictures comparing the differences between them and regular Senegals? Because when I bough my sen, he was in a tank all by himself and the fish store guy [local bichir addict] said it was imported by accident with the batch of senegals and he said it was a meridionalis... so since I knew they weren't too popular I picked him up. I know to not believe everything you hear from fish stores but this guy hasn't lied about bichirs before, and it was only ten bucks. When I bought it it was about 3-4", VERY yellowish [hence my username] and had multiple darker bands laterally down its body. He's about 5" in the pics and you can kind of see his stripes if you look closely. Last pic is of him a lot more recently. He's about 8" now maybe, and you can still see some stripes [pic does no justice].

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nice looking fella!
but nah it's not meridionalis. in fact, some say this subspecies may be invalid.

anyway all baby senegals have the lateral bands, and some have some extra black dots like yours. their base colors can vary to an extent based on genes and environment.
 
Infblue;2495832; said:
nice looking fella!
but nah it's not meridionalis. in fact, some say this subspecies may be invalid.

anyway all baby senegals have the lateral bands, and some have some extra black dots like yours. their base colors can vary to an extent based on genes and environment.

Thanks alot, I'll tell him you said that. Now I have a bone to pick with the fish store guy. :grinno: And I'm still anticipating the day he breaches a foot in length, then we'll know we both thought wrong!
 
''I have a bone to pick with the fish store guy'' Why be mad at him he's probably going by what the invoice says -Anne
 
beblondie;2497509; said:
''I have a bone to pick with the fish store guy'' Why be mad at him he's probably going by what the invoice says -Anne

Well no, he said it came in with a batch of 20 or whatever senegals... and he said he put it in a different tank because he had noticed it looked different and like a meridionalis... i'm not really mad at him, i was just saying :grinno:
 
Do ask him the difference between the two please
 
it couldn't have "looked different and like a meridionalis", because there's no known differences in the physical description between the two subspecies :)

and normal senegalus can get over a foot too, so that doesn't mean much. its just that it's hard for the senegals in the hobby nowadays to break that mark, and a lot probably has to do with large scale and long term 'farming' - limited gene pool, bad genes, hormone effects etc...etc... of course some wild regional variants may grow smaller than others, and may be these smaller ones are the ones that were used to begin the captive breeding program. And finally, don't forget under typical conditions, bichirs in captivity generally won't grow to the same size as their wild counterparts.
 
Hello,

i know Polypterus senegalus in two different shapes:

One type is more greyish in colour and has a more "bulldog"-like head shape as you can see on the pic under ...

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Another type is more brownish / yellowish in colouration and has this parabola-like head shape as you can see on the pic under ...

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A very good way to compare both "types" is to look at them together - and from the side (here while breeding /egg-laying):

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And there is a third type from the Lake Turkana - the best candidate for a sub-species. Unfortunately i couldn't find a pic of this "sub-species" any more, but due to the isolated habitat it's possible that it will be an also genetic local variant. The over-all appearance is quite different ...

It's important to look at the "first description" of Polypterus senegalus meridionalis: Not any of the remarks listed above is the reason to describe this subspecies - the only(!) reason was the earlier loss of the external gills comparing to the "typical" Polypterus senegalus.
OK, just another thing: I'm posting pics from my P.senegalus caused by the experience seeing many P.senegalus in pet shops, on pics etc. - both of my P.senegalus seem to be typical in their shaping.
The third variant of P.senegalus seems to be different to the other ones. Also the specimen may be bigger than usual.

Due to the disturbing situation of taxonomy of the Polypterids (if we look at it without criticizm all seems to be ok - but what about Polypterus sp. koliba? The Palmas-group? Incorrect first descriptions like P.teugelsi? There are direct and indirect correlations ... and Frank Schaefer didn't obliged the polypteridized keepers with his book due to the not scientific fundaments of his new taxonomy - many things he wrote are worth to reconsider or assume ... but not everything) keepers are left alone with some species like koliba - or in this case P.s.meridionalis.
Most keepers i know are seeing the validity of P.s.meridionalis in doubt ...

Greetings
Uwe
 
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