Pure Water Pebble - River Jack color PH shot UP HIGH

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Current low tech planted tank PH sits at 6.8 and rest 0. Fish: Dwarf Rainbows, various loaches, Denison Barbs, Synodontis Multipunctatus Catfish. 125 is my step to get to my 210 and set up later this year.

I am in process of set up a 125 gallon fresh water tank with R/O DI water which tested PH 7.0, Ammonia/Nitrate/Nitrite all 0. I purchased Pure Water Pebbles - Color River Jack and washed a ton but still water was cloudy a tiny bit. Even took it out to wash again for 2 hours today. No fish in tank yet as was cycling for 4 wks.

I kept testing in tank and decided to take all gravel out again and test after washing it. I took R/O DI water from my holding tank and put the gravel in it and was 7.0 at first but within 30 mins shot up to PH HIGH of 7.4. I did a ton of test with letting gravel sit and every time shot up high. This gravel says will not alter water chemistry BUT in fact it does!

I called Natures Ocean who manufacture it and talked to two very nice people who after discussing substate and hearing they have never heard of this, I became less convinced. I asked about other substrate that say safe for fresh water and will not alter water and they said NO and would ONLY recommend two. The cumberland river which is very shinning and coated and the plant substrate Floracore black.

Anyone else have this issue with Pure Water Pebbles substrate altering PH?

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I'm not sure using RO/DI water to test your rocks really tells you anything. With nothing in the water, the smallest chemical change will look huge via any test kit...
 
I'm not sure using RO/DI water to test your rocks really tells you anything. With nothing in the water, the smallest chemical change will look huge via any test kit...
Yeah, I agree. You'll get a much bigger increase in PH with RO water, and that's not really what I'd call "Shooting up high" That's a fairly moderate increase, I doubt it would even be noticeable in a tank
 
I'm sure that the manufacturer tested the rocks with tap water that has a buffering capacity (KH) of at least 4 degrees. This would stop any PH rising.
 
I would agree with the others. You have stripped all the elements from your tap water with the RO/DI filter so there is no longer any buffering ability. I forget what the factor of change is per .1 of ph but that change is not huge. It is significant that it occurred in such a short time but only if the same change occurs in your tap water as well.
This is also initial setup. Give it time and you will start to see the ph drop as waste and plant growth increase.
 
I'm not sure using RO/DI water to test your rocks really tells you anything. With nothing in the water, the smallest chemical change will look huge via any test kit...
So you are saying a PH of R/O DI water coming out of holding tank at 6.0 - and after adding gravel jumps to 7.4 on the API chart is not a bad thing? when substrate states shouldn't change chemistry of water? Also I did add equilibrium to my 125 tank and neutral regulator and still super high. My plants started melting as well so took them out and put in another tank. I have never had this happen even with sand before so this is new to me. I have horrible well water that changes all the time best route for me was the R/O DI water. I know you guys know the chart but just making sure I understand that this increase is real not a big deal? One other question if I can. Does a HOB established filter has to be the same size tank to move it to establish bacteria in new tank? going from one if my 40 gallon to 125 tank. ??

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I'm sure that the manufacturer tested the rocks with tap water that has a buffering capacity (KH) of at least 4 degrees. This would stop any PH rising.
My KH and GH are stilling at 3 in 125 gallon now.
 
T TSCYW8 , did you try taking a sample of your RO/DI water in a clean glass container and test the pH, GH and KH after a couple hours or ideally over night?

This should give you a starting point to figure out what your RO/DI is doing in a neutral environment when just exposed to air.
 
So you are saying a PH of R/O DI water coming out of holding tank at 6.0 - and after adding gravel jumps to 7.4 on the API chart is not a bad thing? when substrate states shouldn't change chemistry of water? Also I did add equilibrium to my 125 tank and neutral regulator and still super high. My plants started melting as well so took them out and put in another tank. I have never had this happen even with sand before so this is new to me. I have horrible well water that changes all the time best route for me was the R/O DI water. I know you guys know the chart but just making sure I understand that this increase is real not a big deal? One other question if I can. Does a HOB established filter has to be the same size tank to move it to establish bacteria in new tank? going from one if my 40 gallon to 125 tank. ??

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Yes, that much of a shift is a big deal. duanes duanes you are our only hope :grinyes:. It's possible that the RO/DI being slightly acidic is leaching mineral content from the gravel.
 
I'm not quite sure why you are worried about pH of 7.4,
M. praecox (if this is what you mean by dwarf rainbow) tolerat pH to 7.5, denisen barbs to 7.8, and most other rainbows even higher pH into the 8s.
It is very common for plants to melt when moved to different substrate.
There are many reasons pH fluctuates beside certain substrates, one is the water may be saturated with CO2 right from the tap, or in the holding tank, and as CO2 off gases, pH can rise.
To test this you may want to put a air stone in the holding tank, and after an hour test the pH, test again another hour later.
Also.... have you been thoroughly rinsing glass ware?
If any (even a portion of a drop) of reagent, or water from previous test, is left in the tube after testing (or some dried on residue from the day before) it can skew results of a test.
I find tubes need to be thoroughly rinsed at least 3 times before and after each test is done, and turn tubes open end down over night.
In the lab I worked for, this 3 times before, 3xs after was required, and I still follow this rinsing regime today to assure accuracy.
 
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