RAMS HELP! pleaseee

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dempsy12

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i want to start a new 50 gallon tank but i want german rams and another cichlid i really really really want another type of cichlid in there with them. i understand rams are dwarfs. but i want another cichlid that wont bully the rams too much. or at all if possible. from my research there isnt many that wont bully or are compatible.
HELP please:)
 
try to stick with some of the other micro cichlids- apistogramas or something. or other rams. there are quite a few other ones other than blues and golds
 
thanks ill research some more dwarf cichlids. that would work perfectly. i honestly want to put them in with a frontosa, or and electric blue jack dempsy. but i have been told not to even try that. correct?
 
dempsy12;5029100; said:
thanks ill research some more dwarf cichlids. that would work perfectly. i honestly want to put them in with a frontosa, or and electric blue jack dempsy. but i have been told not to even try that. correct?
the electrics are usually a weaker inbred fish, i would avoid them completly if i were you. but thats just my opinion. frontosa generaly require a much higher ph , somewhere around 8.2. they are african. rams work better around 6.2 6.5 i beleive. they are south american.
 
yeah i the mixing of the continents is bad. thats why i was trying to find another SA or CA cichlid that would be compatible with the rams because i enjoy the vitality and the energy of the cichlids but i also like great look and colors... therefore the rams. i was just looking for another cichlid to add with rams. if anyone has anymore advice or any species you think would work lemme know
thanks:)
 
dempsy12;5029129; said:
yeah i the mixing of the continents is bad. thats why i was trying to find another SA or CA cichlid that would be compatible with the rams because i enjoy the vitality and the energy of the cichlids but i also like great look and colors... therefore the rams. i was just looking for another cichlid to add with rams. if anyone has anymore advice or any species you think would work lemme know
thanks:)

I keep mine with an angelfish. They get along great. I've heard from other members that firemouths can work too if bought small and are added last to the setup. Any other cichlids will be problematic other than dwarfs, which are beautiful IMO and stay small.
 
The German Blue Ram (Microgeophagus ramirezi) is a beautiful fish for sure but tends to pose a few problems for new hobbyists. The first issue is finding quality fish, many strains are weak, however this is difficult if not impossible to tell from observing a tank full or brightly colored fish swimming around happily in a LFS tank. Many of these fish are farm raised Asian breed fish feed hormones to accelerate maturation and enhance color. Unfortunately these fish, while seemingly healthy start to fade before too long and ultimately crash & die within weeks leaving hobbyist discouraged. As stated before starting with good quality stock is 90% of the battle. A local breeder or ordering from a reputable source is your best bet here. The other issue is temperature, these fish require warm water IMO no lower than 84 degrees F with 86 being about perfect. This temperature requirement also affects the suitable tank mates that are compatible with the GBR. As far as cichlids go Discus are about perfect with Angelfish second at the lower end of the acceptable temperature range. I admit not knowing much about the various Apistogramma sp. I would defer to someone with knowledge of their compatibility. The perfect tetra IMO is the Cardinal or Rummy Nose. The third consideration is clean water, I have always had the best luck using a well established, aged tank Ammonia 0, Nitrites 0, Nitrates below 10 ppm the lower the better. Making general tank maintenance very important, weekly water changes, vacuuming and filter maintenance key to increasing the chances of long term success. I am in no way trying to discourage you from keeping this fish, I’m trying to point out several key areas to help improve your chances for success and overall enjoyment.
A good alternative would be the Bolivian Ram (Microgeophagus altispinosa) they are generally more forgiving and hardier. They don’t require as high a temperature and get a little bigger then the GBR you could do a group of 6 in a 50 gallon tank they mostly stay towards the bottom acting like dwarf earth eaters. A nice school of smaller tetras to fill the middle, some Hatchet fish to fill the upper layer of the tank, six or seven Otto’s for algae duty and a few Amano shrimp would be a nice set up. I hope at least some of this information is helpful to you. GL.
 
You could probably through a firemouth in there, I've never really had agression problems with them before.
 
dempsy12;5029072; said:
i want to start a new 50 gallon tank but i want german rams and another cichlid i really really really want another type of cichlid in there with them. i understand rams are dwarfs. but i want another cichlid that wont bully the rams too much. or at all if possible. from my research there isnt many that wont bully or are compatible.
HELP please:)

You sound like you've done your research, and have your answer.

Is someone from here telling you to "go for it" going to make you bypass all that information just because it's what you want to hear? I hope not. You won't be doing your fish any favors.

Blue Rams are best in a species only tank with some nice peaceful bottom dwellers, and *perfect* water.
 
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