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i work at an animal hospital that treats exotics. we had a ball python come in on monday who was introduced to a medium rat on saturday. the owner of the snake left for 2 hours and when he came back, the rat had eaten a considerable amount of the snake. imagine being torn to the ribs in 4 different spots (largest hole was about 1/4 inch deep and 2'' wide). for a snake that's a large about of muscle. luckily the vet and i were able to get the skin to come around enough to close him up and hopefully the antibiotics will keep infection subdued.

moral of the story is. WHACK YOUR RATS! and if not, watch the kill.

note: this snake was a ball python and had no history of letting any rat handle him. aggressive eater, always hungry, all it took was this one mishap.
 
amazing. theres always the debate that you should always feed prekilled or not, but to not watch to make sure that doesnt happen is a bit irresponsible imo. just one bite is bad enough, but to be chewed on for a while is something else. hope the royal makes it. stuff like this winds me up a bit
 
Always feed prekilled. More than a few snakes have lost their lives because a rat defended itself. Feeding live also keeps feeding aggression high, making it much more likely that you will receive a feeding strike. I got one of those once. Not fun to stand there for 5 minutes while two men remove a snake from your arm. this may be something you want to remember if you are still working for that herp vet. If you know a snake eats only live expecting aggression from it can help you.
 
tessigal;563413; said:
Always feed prekilled. More than a few snakes have lost their lives because a rat defended itself. Feeding live also keeps feeding aggression high, making it much more likely that you will receive a feeding strike. I got one of those once. Not fun to stand there for 5 minutes while two men remove a snake from your arm. this may be something you want to remember if you are still working for that herp vet. If you know a snake eats only live expecting aggression from it can help you.
this is very true. you don't know how long i've been trying to convince my neighbor to gfeed his snaks pre-killed. he even feeds his savanna monitor live mice!:screwy:
 
tessigal;563413; said:
Always feed prekilled. More than a few snakes have lost their lives because a rat defended itself. Feeding live also keeps feeding aggression high, making it much more likely that you will receive a feeding strike. I got one of those once. Not fun to stand there for 5 minutes while two men remove a snake from your arm. this may be something you want to remember if you are still working for that herp vet. If you know a snake eats only live expecting aggression from it can help you.

That's a myth. The snake in question here probably got torn up by the rat because the owner did not monitor the situation and realize that the snake was not interested in eating. Another factor is the quality of feeders- dehydrated, malnourished, or sick rats are incredibly aggressive. Fat, healthy, happy feeder rats just mull around and usually don't even see it coming or put up much of a fight when they are constricted by the snake.

By the original post, we really don't have enough information to make any judgements. I feed a small group of ball pythons live prey each week and have never had any problems with bites ever. The largest size rat I feed is a "small" rat...even to the big breeder girls. They simply don't need to eat anything bigger. The snake here could have been offered a prey item that was much too big, and caused the snake not to recognize it as prey.

In regard to "feeding live will keep feeding aggression high," thats just not true at all. I have seen ball pythons that eat thawed prey items have just as strong of a feeding response as those who eat live. Use common sense...snakes are using their smell and sense of heat to track down prey. If you make a SFE (Stupid Feeding Error), its not the snake's fault- it's yours.

I don't mean to start a live vs. prekilled debate, but I will say this: feeding live prey to properly conditioned snakes can be just as safe as other methods. A lot of newbies tend to do things like switch around from f/t to live to p/k, feed their snakes outside of their enclosures, etc. That's when poo hits the fan and then these same newbies jump on an online forum and profess that feeding live is bad based upon their own limited experience. I assure you, no professional reptile keepers, breeders, or zoos do any of these newbie practices. There's a reason for that.
 
i think that its the fact that he didnt oversee what was going on...
also i know a couple of zoos that feed at least some of their reptiles pre-killed as do a lot of breeders...
 
davo;564707; said:
i think that its the fact that he didnt oversee what was going on...
also i know a couple of zoos that feed at least some of their reptiles pre-killed as do a lot of breeders...

That wasn't clear...I was referring to the zoos and breeders in the light that they are using more consistent practices then new keepers do (live, f/t, or p/k, whereas a lot of new keepers seem to switch it up a lot). I would agree that most zoos out there probably feed their snakes f/t prey items just out of utility (cost effective, quality control, etc.).

Although, I do know of more than a few commercial ball python breeders who feed exclusively live for the purpose that they have found ball pythons to feed more consistently when fed live food. These are people who have collections numbering in the hundreds, even thousands at times. I can't really argue with that observation of that particular species on such a scale.
 
the owner of the said snake was an experienced snake keeper. always fed live and didn't always watch the kill. all it took was this one time for the snake not to be interested. he's kept snakes for the better part of 25 years.

i myself am a newb when it comes to keeping snakes (about 2 years) but even i know not to make feeding inconsistent. i just choose to go w/ safest and cheapest- f/t. then again, i only have one snake at the moment. i agree w/ elevatethis that when there's a huge amount of snakes, feeding live would probably be less time consuming.

as for aggression. the scent of mouse on your hand and its heat has tempted any snake i've seen. i'm careful not to get any mouse scent on me and so far i've been good about it.
 
i agree with the pre-killing.i got a rat that was too big for mine to kill and it was nipping at him.but other than that , i love killing those rats.
 
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