Really Shy Dovii Problem

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Albertan

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I know this sounds like a contradiction in terms...shy and dovii. But that's exactly what I have, and I am not sure if I am dealing with it correctly. I know that young dovii can be notoriously reclusive, likely to get them through their early days in the wild amongst a lot of piscivorous parents. But I haven't read of any shy to the degree mine are so I thoought I'd seek out some opinions.

These fish were obtained by a local LFS from Jeff Rapp's. They arrived at the LFS last November at 1.5". I picked four of these fish up in late January, still at 1.5-2", and began growing them out in a 150 with six freddies. The freddies were much more outgoing and fed more aggressively, so I didn't think the dovii were getting enough food as the freddies were growing considerably faster. I decided to move the dovii to their own 120 to grow out. The second largest was given to a friend and I later replaced it with the last one at the LFS as I didn't think I had a female amongst the three I had (still don't:( ).

The 120 was only sparsely decorated, so the dominant fish chased the others around and guarded the sole piece of bogwood as his territiory. By this time the largest fish had to be 4" or so...I don't want to give the impression these fish aren't growing. I decided to plant the tank artificially more as a biotope and added more bogwood. I also added a larger (6") female carpintis to shake things up a bit and give the other dovii a chance to come out of hiding. The carpintis was the dominant fish and things seemed to be ok. The carpintis tolerated everyone well except for the largest dovii, which began skulking behind some plants, only coming out to feed. The dominant dovii is to be my showpiece fish, so I try to make decisions based on what is best for him. I decided to rearrange the tank again (this occured over a period of months not days) and take the carpintis out.

Ever since I took the carpintis out and changed the aquascaping, the dovii are not to be seen. For 10 days I literally could not see a trace of any of four dovii ranging in size from 3-5+"...nothing. One night before bed after turning the lights out on the tank I saw them all out feeding. I realized that they will not come out if the lights are on. So I am left with a dilemma. I can leave the lights on and never see the fish. Or I can leave the lights off and rely on the ambient light in the room to let me see shadows of my prized fish. I really enjoyed watching these fish, and even in the shadows I can see simply amazing blue finnage developing on the dominant fish. I tried some dithers, but they took 8 Columbians down to 5 in one night and 6 tin foils down to 3 in the same time span.

If anyone can relate how their dovii behaved as juvies, I would like to get an idea if this is just at the far end of normal or if I should be making some changes. The tank looks great, but if I'd be better off with fewer decorations to actually get the fish to come out of their shell I have no problem with that either.

Water parameters are fine BTW. I do 60% WCs every 7-10 days. I'm running an FX-5, XP3, and AC110 on the tank. The only other fish are a male BN pleco and a rhino pleco. Both are about 3" currently. Thanks in advance for any feedback. Sorry for the long post.
 
Albertan;960095; said:
I know this sounds like a contradiction in terms...shy and dovii. But that's exactly what I have, and I am not sure if I am dealing with it correctly. I know that young dovii can be notoriously reclusive, likely to get them through their early days in the wild amongst a lot of piscivorous parents. But I haven't read of any shy to the degree mine are so I thoought I'd seek out some opinions.

These fish were obtained by a local LFS from Jeff Rapp's. They arrived at the LFS last November at 1.5". I picked four of these fish up in late January, still at 1.5-2", and began growing them out in a 150 with six freddies. The freddies were much more outgoing and fed more aggressively, so I didn't think the dovii were getting enough food as the freddies were growing considerably faster. I decided to move the dovii to their own 120 to grow out. The second largest was given to a friend and I later replaced it with the last one at the LFS as I didn't think I had a female amongst the three I had (still don't:( ).

The 120 was only sparsely decorated, so the dominant fish chased the others around and guarded the sole piece of bogwood as his territiory. By this time the largest fish had to be 4" or so...I don't want to give the impression these fish aren't growing. I decided to plant the tank artificially more as a biotope and added more bogwood. I also added a larger (6") female carpintis to shake things up a bit and give the other dovii a chance to come out of hiding. The carpintis was the dominant fish and things seemed to be ok. The carpintis tolerated everyone well except for the largest dovii, which began skulking behind some plants, only coming out to feed. The dominant dovii is to be my showpiece fish, so I try to make decisions based on what is best for him. I decided to rearrange the tank again (this occured over a period of months not days) and take the carpintis out.

Ever since I took the carpintis out and changed the aquascaping, the dovii are not to be seen. For 10 days I literally could not see a trace of any of four dovii ranging in size from 3-5+"...nothing. One night before bed after turning the lights out on the tank I saw them all out feeding. I realized that they will not come out if the lights are on. So I am left with a dilemma. I can leave the lights on and never see the fish. Or I can leave the lights off and rely on the ambient light in the room to let me see shadows of my prized fish. I really enjoyed watching these fish, and even in the shadows I can see simply amazing blue finnage developing on the dominant fish. I tried some dithers, but they took 8 Columbians down to 5 in one night and 6 tin foils down to 3 in the same time span.

If anyone can relate how their dovii behaved as juvies, I would like to get an idea if this is just at the far end of normal or if I should be making some changes. The tank looks great, but if I'd be better off with fewer decorations to actually get the fish to come out of their shell I have no problem with that either.

Water parameters are fine BTW. I do 60% WCs every 7-10 days. I'm running an FX-5, XP3, and AC110 on the tank. The only other fish are a male BN pleco and a rhino pleco. Both are about 3" currently. Thanks in advance for any feedback. Sorry for the long post.


it's not only dovii that will be shy as small cichlids, almost everyone i had that was under 4" "F0's", were all extremely skittish, that included GT's, pbass, parachromis, and others. and i have found the exact same thing, when you turn the lights out, they will come out to eat. i found that the only thing that helped was time, when the fish had grown to a respectable size, they seemed less cowardly, after a good amount of time and size, they were just fine. i do find that other fish in the tank somewhat help them feel less stressed, but i can easily see why you had problems, being that they are dovii, even at small sizes they can be dicks, and the more they grow the meaner they get, and you should see just how personal they will get. And i also understand your frustration comeing to a forum for help, and geting 1 sentence answers from amatuer memebers. pisses the hell out of me.:D
 
I had a 12" F0 that was shy. Yours sound like they're still small yet. But any dovii whether it be F0, F1, or F465 is shy when that young and usually til about 10". Nothing to worry about. Might be boring but deal with it til they get comfortable. Although at 5" mark you should able to start telling which is male/female. Soon after that you'll have to seperate them for fighting probably.
 
Thanks guys. I figured it was within the range of normal for these fish. They aren't F0's, or were not sold to the retailer as such I don't think. But F1's would not be unexpected given the source. I just finished another WC, and I took some of the palnts and one piece of bogwood out. They still have places to hide and get out of the lights. But I should be at least able to see them now and make sure they are still in there somewhere. Just another factor along the path growing out a dovii that makes owning an adult such an accomplishment I guess. Thanks again.

Oh by the way the oldest looks to be about 5" at the moment. Still hard to get a great look.
 
my dovi, which granted i've only had for a month now, was never out and about til i added 40 neon tetras as feeders now he's always out and he really hasnt bothered the tetras much at all.
 
same thing with my 2 inch dovii, i eventually got tireed of it and took out all teh decorations except a couple of rocks, took about 2 weeks for them to get use to it, still a bit skittish wen i walk up to the tank but wen theyr hungry theyr all over the place, i eventualy put teh decorations back in the tank and now theyr fine. make sure to spend some time jsut lookinga t them close to teh tank so tehy get use to you
 
Try to stay up in there face alot hang out in front of the tank put your hands in it move stuff around...... Let them learn that there is no danger
 
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