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Ive read all over the place that a RTC will reach 4 or 5 feet in length but the thing is Ive never seen one in camptivity that size. Just because they grow that big in the wild doesnt mean they will in a tank... how big do these things REALLY get in a tank....

could i house one in a 220g... and would my oscars be safe with it?
 
mb_barton;706903; said:
Ive read all over the place that a RTC will reach 4 or 5 feet in length but the thing is Ive never seen one in camptivity that size. Just because they grow that big in the wild doesnt mean they will in a tank... how big do these things REALLY get in a tank....

could i house one in a 220g... and would my oscars be safe with it?

Well, here's the truth:

The only reason an RTC wouldn't reach it's adult size, is if it's not given the space it needs to be full grown. So of course it's not going to reach full size in a tank, because evolution didn't design them to grow full size in a tank.... they were designed to live in a huge river to be an apex predator that keeps other fish's populations in check.

One of my favorite exhibits in SeaWorld San Diego is the manatee exhibit. They have several, full grown, 5' or so RTC's, along with a few Alligator gars that look like they'd rip your face off if you dove into the tank. Words cannot suffice to describe the sight of that exhibit... then again... "Daaaaammmmm" does the job quite well IMO. Seeing them at that size really does tell you why they're not for the average hobbyist.

Now, to your second question... yes, you could house a juvie in a 220g for some time, but it would grow to a point where it would eat your oscars, probably all in one day spaced out by a few hours.

When it gets that size, you're faced with ethics and morals. Do you try to find it a home? (not likely... not much of a market for huge RTC's).

Do you euthanize it and buy a new one? (I've heard of it being done... don't let anyone on the forums know you did, cuz you will be flamed like non other, especially by the folks who have something to prove).

Or, just give it the largest enclosure you can (whether it's large enough or not) and give it the best care you can until it dies from either stunting, poor water quality, etc...

Now here's the funny thing... there's quite a few people on these boards that own an RTC (some more than one)... out of those, I bet less than half currently have an enclosure that's suitable for a fully grown RTC (yes, they do eventually stop growing lol), but I still haven't seen anyone with an enclosure that could.

I'll tell you what I have read: I plan on this... I'm going to build that... etc... etc...

Most times, plans fall through, dies during the owner moving to a new home, or the most common, the fish mysteriously croaks or is killed during a power outage. Oh, I've also read of the fish eating too much and regurgitating, thus an ammonia spike kills it and it's tank mates (which is strange because there's so many reports of these fish eating tank mates slightly larger than themselves, and living to eat another tank mate to the inappropriate dismay or disappointment of the owner.

So, if you don't own a public aquarium sized exhibit, you'll probably catch flak every time you talk about your fish on a public fish keeping forum. Just know you wont be alone I guess is my point. Heck, I wouldn't say anything, as long as you were honest. I'd applaud you lol. Call me liberal (not my political affiliation... actually, I don't have one, "open-minded" I guess), but I say as long as you're not playing "fish baseball", releasing them into natural water systems where they don't belong, and their wild populations is not under any kind of threat, go for it. Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for life, and I understand it's importance. But I wouldn't hesitate to kill a bug in the house... especially a spider. So if you can get some joy out of life by keeping a fish that will eventually get too large for you to keep, do it. Despite how others may judge you.

On the more positive side, if you happen to be a person who doesn't believe in "trying" to keep a fish, and want something you can definitely house semi-comfortably, that's similar to an RTC, look at Leiarius marmoratus, or Perrunichthys perruno. The marmoratus gets about a foot bigger than the perruno, at appx 36".

Body shape is fairly similar, as well as behavior (from what researching has turned up so far), just the color and pattern is completely different.

So, depending on your ethics, morals, and ideology... it's in your hands.

HTH ;)
 
Agree with Cohazard totally. I have kept lots of big cats; rtc's (one to 31.5") large Hemibagrus wyckii, Pseudoplatystoma tigrinum and Purrunichthys perruno. For your tank P.perruno would make a great addition. Beautiful colour/markings, quite active and grows big but not prohibitively so. Check my post in "Does anyone actually have a 4 foot RTC" . One at 46", with a head a foot wide and a tail over a foot deep.... (It's in a tank of almost 7,000 litres by the way).
 
cohazard said:
Heck, I wouldn't say anything, as long as you were honest. I'd applaud you lol. Call me liberal (not my political affiliation... actually, I don't have one, "open-minded" I guess), but I say as long as you're not playing "fish baseball", releasing them into natural water systems where they don't belong, and their wild populations is not under any kind of threat, go for it. Don't get me wrong, I have an appreciation for life, and I understand it's importance. But I wouldn't hesitate to kill a bug in the house... especially a spider. So if you can get some joy out of life by keeping a fish that will eventually get too large for you to keep, do it. Despite how others may judge you.

I have an obligation to point out that I was editing my original post, and added the part quoted above while Mentzer was posting his reply.

I don't know if he agrees with my above statement or not (I highly doubt he does lol), but it's not fair for someone else to read the thread and think he does, when he wasn't aware I was typing that part in.
 
yea see thats the dilemma i am faced with... I lovethese monsters but I couldnt never euthanize a fish or make it live in a small aquarium... so what I will do is go to the nearest public aquarium... ask if they would take over my rtc once it outgrew my tank... if they agree i will get one. otherwise ill have to find a alternative...
i hope they agree cuz id love one of these guys...
 
Well put Cohazard. I agree with what you stated 100%.

I will also add, These are all farm raised fish we are seeing in the hobby today, Not some endangered species that was caught in season. I have never, nor will i ever.... search out a fish that is not readily available in the hobby. I will not catch a largemouth bass out of the local lake to keep in my aquariums, Rare and endangered species should not be kept for fun, but I see no reason one should not attempt to keep a RTC. There are thousands of these fish sold annually and out of that how many make it past the first few months ??? Less than half i'm sure. How many more make it to the sub adult size of 24+" ???? Not many i'm sure. In my opinion if an EXPERIENCED fishkeeper can house one of these monsters in a tank of decent size it is better than a uneducated soccer mom buying one for her sons 20 gallon. I try to give mine the best care and conditions i can. As i have stated before i HAVE KEPT ONE FOR 8 YEARS IN A 180. That fish was not neglected and lived a good life. Some will argue of course but he was safe and happy and as content as he could be. That was when i was younger and didnt have the means to supply a larger home but does that mean the fish shouldnt have been kept ??? How many people can lay claim to supporting ONE FISH for 8 years ??? Let alone a RTC.


Its a true shame these fish grow so large, as they are hands down the coolest of all fish. Many fish will be purchased and kept in tanks way to small, most wont make it a year or two, and everyone will always say you need a 2 million gallon pond to care for one, but my advice to anyone thinking of trying one.......Just do the best you can. If you can keep a Labrador retriever in a studio apartment, a gold fish in a bowl, a monkey in a cage, a 10' python in a 55 gallon tank, ect...... You can surely keep a RTC ALIVE and WELL CARED FOR in large aquarium. It may not be the IDEAL setting but its better than dead.


And one more thing........ I got out of the large cat hobby for a few years and went to saltwater reef tanks. If you guys think RTC's are neglected/improperly housed you havent seen anything yet. Millions of fish and corals imported annually that NEVER stand a chance :(


JMO of course.


bob
 
RTC are very cool. i love the massive size. i think every person should try raising one. my attempt at keeping one til its full grown is in the works. i think everyone should try to keep one. better then the kid at the lfs whos mom snagged him one for a 20-30 gal tank... if i can give my rtc 5 years, then i did good.
 
We had one in our 1,200 pond in the store for about 7 years. He got to be just shy of 3' and about 25-30 lbs. He died mysteriously one night, much to the dismay of all our employees and customers. My boss, a Marine Biologist, performed a necropsy and found a handful of pennies in his stomach. Jackass customers had been throwing coins in the pond for years and despit our best attempts to remove them or stop the coin tossing, the fish ate enough of the pennies to poison himself. It was a terrible thing to happen. This fish loved to be pet and hand fed. I've never seen one with the same personality.
That being said, my wife has been begging me to bring one home for years, but I keep refusing 'till I have my own basement pond. I'll be getting a free 200 gallon aquarium soon and I don't think it's even big enough for the "short" term for one RTC.
 
if it sat in a 1200gal pond for 7 years, and barely reached 3' then i think there pretty possible to house by people with smaller tanks. maybe an 8x3x2 could house one for atleast 8 years. sucks that it died that way tho, i would never make a pond in a public location like that without a net or something covering it. there's to many weirdos out there that think doing dumb stuff is funny
 
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