Red devil or Midas?

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Jack Dempsey
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Ok so I bought this fish at my lfs and was told it was a Midas (about a month ago). I’m starting to think it’s a red devil. The reason I want to know is cause I want a pair (either two Red Devils or two Midas) I believe this fish is a female. And so I will look for a male red devil if she is a red devil. Thanks for any info

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It's really difficult to find a true Red Devil or Midas unless you buy from a reliable breeder or importer. Both species are genetically close & readily hybridize, resulting in the term, Midevil.
IMO, your Creamsicle looks more elongated than a Midas, but unable to make a positive Red Devil identification.
Maybe speak to the manager of your LFS & find out what hatchery your Midas originated from.
 
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Agree with Stephen
Both species have a number of color morphs, and without a DNA test almost impossible to know.
If from a LFS that didn't source them from a breeder or importer that ardently separates species, by individual lakes, you probably should assume, you'll never know.
These days, Midas, red devil;, midlevel are all simply catch-all terms, for any Nicaraguan great lakes Amphilophine.
 
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As an example, about a decade ago I has these
The species below was called a barred midas, today we know it as Amphlophus amarillo from Lake Xiloa.
The majority of A citronellas (Midas) found in nature though, present a barred pattern
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Below is Amphillophus flaveolus, from Lake Apoyo
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Most all Amphillophus in nature, also present a barred pattern, but
for aquarium trendiness, the pink, cream cycle, gold or rust color like above, have more generic aquarium appeal so those morphs are often spawned together and are more readily available, and commonly mislabeled, thus commonly hybrid.
If you really want "true species" as spawning stock, you'll need to go to an importer which specializes in separating species, and not a LFS that accepts local cichlids randomly from amateurs.
Not saying there may not be some legitimate LFSs, if they keep provenience or catch location records, but I'd ask to see those records, if you want to call a certain species true species.
A couple examples
Wet Spot that provides scientific names with locations. or
Cichlids of the Americas with provide lake locations, and scientific names.
To me anyone who uses terms like Red Devil or Midas, without the scientific name is suspect.
 
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I originally did purchase 2 Red Devils and was assured they would be predominantly white with either some red/ orange from a breeder but imo they are Midas and complete opposite of what I asked for. They are orange with a tiny white spot on its head as you can see one of them in the pics I originally posted. So I gave up for now buying online. This possible female that I originally posted about is the closest I’ve found to a white either red devil or Midas. The goal is to eventually to breed them and to get a fish like this.

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